Public Sector Pay

Oral Answers to Questions — Treasury – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 24th October 2017.

Alert me about debates like this

Photo of David Hanson David Hanson Labour, Delyn 12:00 am, 24th October 2017

What recent assessment his Department has made of trends in the level of public sector pay since 2010.

Photo of Elizabeth Truss Elizabeth Truss The Chief Secretary to the Treasury

In 2010, there was a significant gap between wages in the public and private sectors whereby public sector workers received an average of 5.76% higher pay. Today, wages are comparable, and when we take into account more generous pension benefits, there is an additional 10% pension premium in the public sector.

Photo of David Hanson David Hanson Labour, Delyn

Last week, the rate of inflation was announced at 3%. Public sector pay rises are at 1%. Will the Chief Secretary confirm that that is a pay cut for millions of workers, and will she take this from me as a Budget representation: “Scrap the cap”?

Photo of Elizabeth Truss Elizabeth Truss The Chief Secretary to the Treasury

It seems that the right hon. Gentleman cannot take yes for an answer. There is not a public sector pay cap. We have said that individual Secretaries of State will be responsible for making proposals on their workforces dependent on specific circumstances. We are facing very different issues in the NHS and in the armed forces. What is important is that we look at the evidence and make sure that we can recruit and retain the best possible workers in the public sector, but we also need to make sure that we do not price out of the market people working in the private sector.

Photo of Mark Harper Mark Harper Conservative, Forest of Dean

Will the Chief Secretary urge her Cabinet colleagues, when they are making these decisions, to bear in mind that public sector pay rises must be fair not only to public sector workers, but to the five sixths of workers in the private sector who face the same pressures and challenges?

Photo of Elizabeth Truss Elizabeth Truss The Chief Secretary to the Treasury

My right hon. Friend is right. The fact is that we were left a legacy by a previous Government who spent money that they did not have. We have had to get the public finances back on track. We do recognise that there are areas in which we need to make sure that we can recruit and retain high-quality public sector workers, but we also need to make sure that we have a thriving private sector economy. That is why we have ended up with the lowest unemployment for 40 years.

Photo of Neil Gray Neil Gray Shadow SNP Spokesperson (Social Justice)

We know from the Resolution Foundation that this decade, from 2010, is the worst for wage growth in 210 years, so when will the Chief Secretary to the Treasury ensure that Departments are fully funded to scrap the cap?

Photo of Elizabeth Truss Elizabeth Truss The Chief Secretary to the Treasury

The reason we have not seen the wage growth that we want to see is that we have an issue with productivity in this country. In order to raise living standards for everybody, regardless of whether they work in business or in the public sector, we need to make sure that we raise productivity. That is why we are investing in infrastructure and skills—doing all the things that the previous Government did not do to make our country more productive.

Photo of Charlie Elphicke Charlie Elphicke Conservative, Dover

Can my right hon. Friend confirm, for the avoidance of doubt, whether there is a pay premium for the public sector over the private sector?

Photo of Elizabeth Truss Elizabeth Truss The Chief Secretary to the Treasury

There is not a pay premium. Public and private sector pay are roughly comparable, but in the public sector there is an average of 10% additional remuneration in terms of pension contributions.

Photo of Esther McVey Esther McVey Conservative, Tatton

I am older and, I hope, wiser. Like all the ladies who are at my age, I am just hitting my stride and coming of age.