Part of Oral Answers to Questions — Home Department – in the House of Commons at 4:46 pm on 9 February 2015.
Steve Webb
The Minister of State, Department for Work and Pensions
4:46,
9 February 2015
The Opposition voted against the Welfare Reform Act 2012, which made the principal changes necessary for reducing the deficit. They recognise that, had they been in office, there would have been substantial cuts in public spending, and no doubt that would have included social security, which is one of the biggest single areas of public spending, but they have had the luxury of never having to say where the cuts would have been made. The right hon. Gentleman knows in his heart of hearts that, had his party been in office, there would have been significant reductions in spending on social security, so he cannot compare the situation with some blank sheet of paper against some benign economic backdrop. In the last year of the previous Labour Government we saw record borrowing—£150 billion, which is an extraordinary amount of money—so the idea that they could somehow have closed the deficit without having any impact on people’s living standards is extraordinary and unrealistic.
Let us be absolutely clear about the comparison figures. On the issue of the level of the pension, compared with what it might have been, £560 is the key figure we should be using. What we have done through the triple lock, and through each successive measure, means that the pension is higher than it would have been under the policy that the Labour party told us it would implement—RPI to 2012 on earnings, which was in its manifesto—and higher than it would have been had we gone for earnings throughout. Obviously, the figures depend on which baseline one assumes. The idea that the Labour party, had it been in office, would have carried on with RPI, ignoring the statisticians telling them that it should not be used and ignoring the fiscal position, is simply implausible, because it is not a relevant benchmark.
These regulations are important because they pave the way for the next step in our efforts to restore the state pension to where it should have been—a decent amount that provides security and dignity for people in old age. What matters is what people get in retirement, relative to what they used to earn, and on that measure the state pension as a share of the national average wage, and the pension as a result of these regulations, will be at their highest level for more than two decades. That is something of which this Government can be proud. I commend the regulations to the House.
Question put and agreed to.
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George Morley
Posted on 11 Feb 2015 3:58 am (Report this annotation)
Mr Webb, how can you say this "our efforts to restore the state pension to where it should have been—a decent amount that provides security and dignity for people in old age." without blushing remembering those frozen pensioners that you ignore who get no indexation. Just a mere 560,000 who don't matter and it's only discrimination after all ! What matters is what people get in retirement, relative to what they used to earn, you say ! You've got that right but why do you not live up to it. This government and those that came before have no reason to be proud of sending pensioners into poverty and condoning the discrimination that you were so adamant was wrong in previous statements unless you have been lying in the past because nothing has changed to alter the facts. Your character assessment is obviously not important to you Mr Webb in your next job.