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Photo of Mike Gapes Mike Gapes Labour, Ilford South 2:30 pm, 29th June 2010

If he will make a statement on his departmental responsibilities.

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

My responsibility is to lead the NHS in delivering improving health outcomes in England; to lead a public health service that improves the nation's health and reduces health inequalities; and to lead the reform of adult social care that supports and protects vulnerable people.

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Photo of Mike Gapes Mike Gapes Labour, Ilford South

When the new Secretary of State intervened to stop the reorganisation of health services in London, he said that there would be no forced closures. Can he give me an unambiguous and categorical assurance that he will not allow the closure of the accident and emergency department, the children's surgery or the maternity services at King George hospital in Ilford? Yes or no?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

The hon. Gentleman's question seems rather churlish, given that he wanted to stop the top-down configuration that NHS London imposed so that people in his area-GPs, the local authority, local people and patients-could have an opportunity themselves to decide how services might best be designed for local people. That is the pledge that I have made. Those criteria will enable that process to be led locally, rather than imposed and forced on people.

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Photo of Lorraine Fullbrook Lorraine Fullbrook Conservative, South Ribble

St Catherine's hospice is used by many of my constituents, and they will be pleased to be able to go ahead with the hospice's planned improvements, which will be funded through the capital grants programme. Does the Secretary of State agree, however, that the excellent work of such hospices goes far beyond the hospice building? What will his Department do to ensure that hospices play a greater role in providing services to the local community?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend, who will know that I entirely understand and applaud the work of St Catherine's hospice because we have visited it together. She makes a very important point, because those whom I know in the hospice movement want to think not just about the service that they provide in their buildings, but about an holistic service for patients' families and for those who require palliative care. I might just say that on Saturday I made it clear that up to £30 million will be available in this financial year to support children's hospices, specifically, in extending their work so that they can provide a service in the community for children with life-limiting illnesses.

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Photo of Andy Burnham Andy Burnham Shadow Secretary of State for Health

The right hon. Gentleman will remember our exchanges at the election hustings, where there was a real difference between us: we said that we would protect the NHS budget in real terms, and I stand by that commitment; the right hon. Gentleman said that he would increase the NHS budget. After last week's Budget, however, we now know the price of that commitment: 25% cuts to social care will mean vulnerable people either left without the support that they need or facing higher charges to pay for care, and huge pressure on carers. It means also that the NHS itself stops working, because it cannot discharge people from hospital when there is no support in the community. That unbalanced approach to public spending is dangerous and will decimate services on which the NHS depends. Is it not time to drop a pledge that had more to do with votes and nothing to do with people's lives?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

So there we have it, Secretary of State. [Hon. Members: "Secretary of State?"] I meant "Mr Speaker"-you are far more elevated than a Secretary of State, Mr Speaker.

The shadow Secretary of State's belief is that the NHS budget should be cut. I fail to see how that could help social care. We are going to look much more positively at how we can join up the work of the NHS and social care. What my colleagues and I have announced on 30-day support for patients leaving hospital, including rehabilitation and re-ablement, will do precisely that, relieving some of the pressures on social care by seeing the NHS as a more holistic service for patients.

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Photo of Julian Huppert Julian Huppert Liberal Democrat, Cambridge

Does the Secretary of State accept the conclusions of the Science and Technology Committee's report "Evidence Check 2: Homeopathy"? Earlier, the Under-Secretary gave a commitment to an evidence-based approach and today the British Medical Association passed a motion about homeopathy. Given the financial constraints in which we all share, can the Secretary of State defend spending millions of pounds of NHS money on methods that simply do not work?

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I have written an article on this question:

http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/huppert-on-homeopathy.html

Submitted by Richard Taylor

Photo of Anne Milton Anne Milton The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his question. He obviously knows how much is spent on homeopathic treatments, although no one else seems to know exactly. The decisions should be taken by doctors locally, and the effectiveness, safety and efficacy of a treatment should be taken into account. The estimate is that 0.001% of the drugs bill is currently spent on such treatments. At present, we are looking at the Science and Technology Committee's report. We hope to respond to it before the summer recess.

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Photo of Toby Perkins Toby Perkins Labour, Chesterfield

My right hon. Friend the shadow Secretary of State referred to the Commonwealth Fund report, which said that Britain's NHS was the most efficient. Does that not make it clear that after 13 years of a Labour Government, the NHS is not just so much better for patients, but efficient? To say that it is not is an insult to the people who have worked so hard to make it great.

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

I have looked at Commonwealth Fund reports for a number of years; it regards the NHS as efficient because it spends relatively little in comparison with other health economies. In this country, we need to recognise that the NHS does not spend very much in comparison with other countries but it could spend it more efficiently. There has been declining productivity for 10 years. [Interruption.] The shadow Secretary of State needs to recognise that NHS management costs went up by 63% while nursing costs went up by just 27%. My colleagues and I are committed to halving NHS management costs and to reducing the costs of the NHS, through efficiency, by £20 billion. Every penny of that will be reinvested in meeting the rising demand for the NHS and the improvements in quality that we require.

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Photo of Duncan Hames Duncan Hames Liberal Democrat, Chippenham

What encouragement is the Secretary of State giving to primary care trusts to restore minor injury services to towns such as Melksham in my constituency? It saw its minor injuries unit close under the last Government.

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Photo of Simon Burns Simon Burns The Minister of State, Department of Health

I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that question. It is up to local communities and local health providers to identify what they believe are the local needs of their communities and then go through the procedures, measures and mechanisms to seek to achieve what they want-in this case, that could be a new A and E. It is not for Ministers to promise such provision; there are proper procedures, from the local area upwards, for achieving such aims.

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Photo of John Bercow John Bercow Chair, Speaker's Committee on the Electoral Commission, Speaker of the House of Commons, Speaker of the House of Commons

Order. I have just had Members complaining that they cannot hear. The Minister must face the House. It is a very simple point; I have made it to others and they have understood it.

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Photo of Jim Shannon Jim Shannon Shadow DUP Spokesperson (Health), Shadow DUP Spokesperson (Transport)

One of the concerns of a great many of us recently has been the availability of cancer care drugs. [Interruption.] Right across-right across, Mr Speaker, the whole United Kingdom, and Northern Ireland in particular, a great many people have not been able to access cancer care drugs and have had to endure sickness and illness without them. Can the Secretary of State assure the House today that cancer care drugs will be made available and that those who are ill and suffering from cancer can rest easy?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

We have been very clear that it is a scandal that we have some of the finest cancer research anywhere in the world and some of the best cancer medicines have been developed in this country yet in the past in this country NHS patients have often been the last to have access to those drugs. That is why at the election we made it clear that we will introduce from April next year a cancer drugs fund, the purpose of which will be to ensure that patients get access through the NHS to the cancer medicines that they need, on clinical recommendation and advice, and that they are not unduly delayed in getting that access.

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Photo of Julian Sturdy Julian Sturdy Conservative, York Outer

I am sure that the Secretary of State will remember visiting my constituency earlier in the year and listening to constituents' concerns about the withdrawal of spinal injections on the NHS. Given that the PCT's decision is set to become another example of the postcode lottery in the health service, will his Department consider the ongoing debate about spinal injections in York and support the attempts of my constituents as they seek to shape local health services around their specific needs?

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Photo of Simon Burns Simon Burns The Minister of State, Department of Health

I am a bit confused as to where to look. [ Interruption. ] Right, I will look forward.

My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State well remembers his visit in April to meet the York and District pain management support group. He made it plain at the time that it should be for GPs and their patients to decide what treatment should be given, as opposed to a decision by the PCT to veto spinal injections for all sufferers of long-term chronic back pain. We will, in due course, set out our proposals to put more power in the hands of patients and GPs.

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Photo of Vernon Coaker Vernon Coaker Shadow Minister (Education) (Schools)

Does the Minister agree that it is crucial for patients to have information if we are to make a reality of choice within the NHS? In that respect, does he agree that if we are to give people a real choice as regards the choose and book system that GPs operate, there is a need to ensure that patients have the information about the success rates of different hospitals, and different surgeons, as regards operations?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

I agree with the hon. Gentleman-it is just that that did not happen under a Labour Government in the way that it should have done. For example, the national quality registers in Sweden have 69 areas of clinical practice where those kinds of comparative data are published. I have made it clear that one of our priorities is that we focus on outcomes and on giving patients real empowerment. To do that, information for patients on outcomes will be absolutely critical.

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Photo of John Pugh John Pugh Liberal Democrat, Southport

I have here a letter from my local PCT indicating that the clinical review of the safety of a proposed children's walk-in centre in Southport is to be conducted by Dr Sheila Shribman and the Minister's Department. Will the Minister arrange to meet me and relevant officials to ensure that the Department is properly aware of the background to this vital access issue and that we have a clinical network suitable for patients, as well as for practitioners?

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Photo of Anne Milton Anne Milton The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that question, of which he gave our office prior warning. It is important that decisions made locally focus on outcomes for people, that they are about choice, that they have support from local clinicians and commissioners, and that they are based on sound clinical evidence. I would be happy to meet him to discuss this further.

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Photo of Mary Glindon Mary Glindon Labour, North Tyneside

Every year in the north-east, 300 children are born with congenital heart disease. These very sick children receive expert treatment locally in the world-class cardiothoracic unit at Newcastle's Freeman hospital. Can the Minister assure my constituents, who value this vital local service, that the findings of Sir Ian Kennedy's review of children's heart surgery centres will be implemented without financial constraint?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

I should tell the hon. Lady that it is premature to make any commitment about the review, because we now need to have proper engagement with local people, patients and those who are responsible to focus on how we can make absolutely certain that the outcomes that we achieve for children requiring cardiac surgery are as good as we can possibly make them.

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Photo of Robert Halfon Robert Halfon Conservative, Harlow

Will the Minister review the problem of highly priced patient lines and introduce competition so that patients in Harlow and elsewhere no longer pay extortionate prices to watch TV or make phone calls?

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Photo of Simon Burns Simon Burns The Minister of State, Department of Health

I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend for raising an issue that I know is of concern to many people. Although I cannot make promises about the outcome of any review, he has my assurance that we will be looking into this, and that we take on board the concerns that have been expressed over a number of years.

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Photo of Nick Raynsford Nick Raynsford Labour, Greenwich and Woolwich

The Secretary of State has halted the reconfiguration of services in south-east London, which was clinically led, the subject of detailed public consultation and approved by the reconfiguration panel. The outcome is to leave my PCT and hospital trust acutely troubled about their ability to deliver the improved health services that were promised under "A picture of health" and to meet their financial targets. What does that say about the Government's commitment to evidence-based policy making?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

What we have done in London is to give those who would be most affected by decisions to reconfigure services the opportunity, where decisions have not already been made, to have a local say. That includes patients, the public and GP commissioners. The delay, in so far as there is any delay, need not be great if those proposals are fully subscribed to by local people and by their GPs as commissioners.

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Photo of David Tredinnick David Tredinnick Conservative, Bosworth

Would my right hon. Friend accept that there is widespread anecdotal evidence of the effectiveness of homeopathic medicines? There are 500 doctors in this country who use them, and nobody is obliged to have them if they do not want them. Will he therefore heavily discount the illiberal views of our hon. Friend Dr Huppert?

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Tredinnick is, of course, talking complete nonsense here. There is no creditable evidence at all that homeopathy is any more effective than placebo. No matter how often he repeats it, the facts don't change.

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Photo of Anne Milton Anne Milton The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health

May I thank my hon. Friend for his question and pay tribute to him for his continued and persistent lobbying on the subject? I gather that he has been elected a member of the Select Committee on Health, so I welcome him to that position and I am sure that we will meet again at some point.

What is important is that decisions about treatment are made by clinicians, and they will base their decisions on the safety, efficacy, efficiency and outcomes that a particular treatment will provide.

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Photo of Alex Cunningham Alex Cunningham Labour, Stockton North

The North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Foundation Trust believes that its strategy for one hospital to replace the North Tees and Hartlepool university hospitals is the right strategy, despite the project being dropped by the Government. Does the Minister accept that the trust's strategy to provide a new hospital and health facilities closer to communities to meet their health needs is correct, that the trust should be encouraged to press ahead with alternative funding models that could still deliver the new hospital, and that its members and the public at large can expect Government support to realise that strategy?

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Photo of Andrew Lansley Andrew Lansley The Secretary of State for Health

What I would look for is for the foundation trust to meet the criteria that I published on 21 May in relation to any reconfiguration of services that it proposes for its area. As a foundation trust, I would also expect that, having secured the freedoms associated with that status, it should not ask the Department of Health to meet the whole capital cost of whatever it proposes.

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