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Oral Answers to Questions — Treasury – in the House of Commons at 10:30 am on 24 January 2008.

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Photo of Ann Winterton Ann Winterton Conservative, Congleton 10:30, 24 January 2008

If he will make a statement on his departmental responsibilities.

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

As I said earlier this month, the core purpose of the Treasury is to ensure the stability of the economy, promote growth and manage the public services and finances.

Photo of Ann Winterton Ann Winterton Conservative, Congleton

When the fuel escalator was introduced, the oil price was low—the exact opposite of what it is now. The escalator is adding huge, increased costs to British business and industry, thereby endangering their competitiveness while fuelling the flames of inflation. Will the Chancellor consider suspending the escalator?

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

I keep all taxes under review. Generally, our economy has remained very competitive. British industry has done very well; indeed, as yesterday's figures showing continuing growth of gross domestic product confirm, the transport sector remains healthy. However, as my predecessor said, we need to ensure that we maintain the appropriate level of taxation on fuel.

It is difficult to make like-for-like comparisons with other countries around Europe, but I think that the level of taxation at the moment is right. We will do everything that we can to help resolve the difficulties that we have with high oil prices. It is particularly important that oil producers recognise that they have an interest in making sure that there are adequate supplies of oil. That, of course, is one of the things determining oil prices at present.

Photo of Edward Leigh Edward Leigh Chair, Public Accounts Committee, Chair, Public Accounts Committee

I have asked the Comptroller and Auditor General to launch an inquiry into the costs incurred in rescuing Northern Rock, and he has agreed to do so. However, will the Chancellor tell the House what have been the costs incurred to date in issuing guarantees and indemnifying loans made by the Bank of England to Northern Rock, including professional advisers' fees incurred by the Treasury?

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

The fees of Goldman Sachs will be met by Northern Rock. As I said to the House earlier this week, we have made guarantees but they have not been called, so there has not been a cost to the taxpayer.

Photo of Phil Wilson Phil Wilson Labour, Sedgefield

In the past few years, Trimdon 2000, a community group in my constituency, has received a grant of about £79,000 from the Northern Rock Foundation. Hundreds of similar community groups have received similar donations from that foundation. During his discussions on the future of Northern Rock, will my right hon. Friend ensure that the future of the foundation is secured?

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

As I have said on a number of occasions, I am very aware of the importance of the Northern Rock Foundation in the north-east. It depended on a significant income stream coming from Northern Rock in conditions that no longer exist. All of us, including my hon. Friend and his colleagues who represent north-eastern constituencies, would like to find a solution that helps the foundation; I know that that is also in the minds of those who have expressed interest in investing in Northern Rock. Trying to do something about it will require an effort on the part of us all, but I am very aware of the points that my hon. Friend has made.

Photo of George Osborne George Osborne Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer

At this time of economic uncertainty, people are looking to the central banks and their monetary policies, yet in Britain we still do not know who will be running the central bank come the summer. What exactly is the reason why the Prime Minister and the Chancellor are delaying the decision on the reappointment of Mervyn King?

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

I have dealt with this issue on many occasions. As I have said before, I will make an announcement—actually, Her Majesty the Queen will do so, as that is how such an appointment is announced—and it will be made at the appropriate time.

Photo of George Osborne George Osborne Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer

I am sure that Her Majesty will take the advice of the Chancellor and the Prime Minister when she makes her announcement. When Mervyn King was first appointed, that announcement was made in November for an appointment in June. At the beginning of this month, the Chancellor said at a joint press conference with the Prime Minister that he would make an announcement in the next few weeks; well, it has been a few weeks. What exactly is the reason for this continued uncertainty in the markets? Why cannot he simply say that he is reappointing Mervyn King? Let me put it another way. Is he looking at any other candidates for the job?

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

As I have said to the hon. Gentleman and to the House on many occasions, the appointment will be made at the appropriate time; that remains the case.

Photo of Lynda Waltho Lynda Waltho PPS (Rt Hon David Hanson, Minister of State), Ministry of Justice

Will my right hon. Friend consider the views of the Federation of Master Builders and those of 58 MPs who have so far signed early-day motion 669, calling for a reduction in VAT from 17.5 per cent. to 5 per cent. on repairs to and maintenance of existing buildings? Such a move would bring far more empty homes on to the market, assist home owners in making their homes energy efficient, and, importantly, assist groups such as the West Midlands Historic Buildings Trust to maintain heritage buildings such as Lye and Wollescote chapel in my constituency.

Photo of Jane Kennedy Jane Kennedy Financial Secretary, HM Treasury

I congratulate my hon. Friend on the persistence with which she is pursuing this subject. I can assure her that I have studied the terms of early-day motion 669. Alongside the zero VAT rate for the construction of certain new residential and charitable buildings, we have applied a 5 per cent. reduced rate for certain supplies related to housing. However, the problem is that we cannot implement the early-day motion proposal under the current European Union rules because there is no vires in EU law to allow any new reduced rate for repair and improvement work on non-residential buildings. I assure her that we keep the situation under review and seek to assist whenever it is possible to do so.

Photo of Anne Snelgrove Anne Snelgrove PPS (Rt Hon Ruth Kelly, Secretary of State), Department for Transport

Some 9,400 families in my constituency receive tax credits, a minority of whom experience great difficulty with the system. What changes are my right hon. Friend's Department making to help those families and my hard-pressed caseworker, Julie?

Photo of Jane Kennedy Jane Kennedy Financial Secretary, HM Treasury

I suspect that my hon. Friend's caseworker is known personally to the staff of tax credit offices. Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs established the tax credit transformation programme to improve the services that families receive because that is very important for the success of this great project, which is now supported by parties on both sides of the House. HMRC has run several pilot projects, including a new national service to allow couples whose relationship has broken down to initiate a new single claim in one phone call. From the end of this month, it will also be revising its code of practice 26 on recovering repayments and replacing the reasonable belief test, which has caused a great deal of concern and difficulty in understanding, with a clearer test that sets out customers' responsibilities for checking factual information alongside the responsibilities that HMRC has to fulfil.

Photo of Laurence Robertson Laurence Robertson Shadow Minister (Northern Ireland)

I declare that I am a policyholder in terms of having my mortgage with Northern Rock—at the commercial rate, I stress. Many mortgage holders will be concerned about the possibility of having their loans called in, forcing them either to remortgage or to sell their homes. Under the various proposals being considered by the Government, what is the likelihood of that situation coming about?


Good question - I to have a Fixed mortgage with this company which is coming to an end in April

Submitted by Graham McMillan

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

I understand the hon. Gentleman's point; as we all know, he is not the only one who has a mortgage with Northern Rock, as I made clear the first time I made a statement after the recess last autumn. It is for the company, or whoever owns or controls it, to decide on what terms it issues mortgages or how it deals with mortgages as and when they come up for renewal. That is not something that the Government deal with.


How can the government lend taxpayers money to a private company. Then offer Govt Bonds to bail the bank out and then state it is not their business if the bank then recalls all its mortgage loans to cover its own stupidity. Anyone want to bet that if the...

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Photo of Mark Lazarowicz Mark Lazarowicz PPS (David Cairns, Minister of State), Scotland Office

To return to the issue of VAT reduction raised by my hon. Friend Lynda Waltho, the Government said in last year's Budget that they were seeking EU agreement to allow a reduction in VAT for certain energy-saving measures. Can my right hon. Friend give us an update on the progress that has been achieved on that?

Photo of Jane Kennedy Jane Kennedy Financial Secretary, HM Treasury

I can reassure my hon. Friend that those discussions are ongoing. I have been involved with them at ECOFIN, and we are pressing the case for the reduction. It is gaining support throughout Europe, but we are not yet in a position where we can change the rules to achieve such a laudable change.

Photo of David Heathcoat-Amory David Heathcoat-Amory Conservative, Wells

Following the loss of child benefit data by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs when on its way to the National Audit Office, I asked the Chancellor what other organisations and departments were in receipt of such personal data. The written reply failed to answer that question. Instead, it said that

"Most transfers of data take place under statutory gateways"—[ Hansard, 3 December 2007; Vol. 468, c. 1038W.]— whatever they are. What about the data that go out of the HMRC that do not go through statutory gateways? Which departments and people are in receipt of those data, and why is there a continuing transfer of personal information, or leak, out of that department without parliamentary authority?

Photo of Jane Kennedy Jane Kennedy Financial Secretary, HM Treasury

No transfers take place without parliamentary authority. HMRC operates within clear guidelines and rules set down by Parliament. The transfer of data is a large part of HMRC's business. The management of personal data is a critical part of what it does, which is why it is right that we consider all of the representations that we receive from Mr. Poynter. We will also need to consider the police report when we get it. A great deal of work is being done to understand the procedures that are in place, how they work and their effectiveness in order to ensure that we have the most secure procedures possible in place.

Photo of Desmond Swayne Desmond Swayne Parliamentary Private Secretary To the Leader of the Opposition

Why were the Government running such a substantial budget deficit ahead of forecast, even before the credit crunch bit?

Photo of Andy Burnham Andy Burnham The Chief Secretary to the Treasury

The figures that I gave to Mr. Syms earlier show that this country has met debts at a lower level than any of our European competitors. If Mr. Swayne is questioning our spending, let me quote Mr. Cameron from his press conference last week—[Hon. Members: "Answer the question."] Just hear me out. The right hon. Gentleman said that

"the government spending plans for the next three years are really quite tight...I think it represents a fairly tough approach to public spending."

Given that the hon. Gentleman's party has several billion pounds of tax cuts promised, what does he propose to do about borrowing?

Photo of Angela Watkinson Angela Watkinson Opposition Whip (Commons)

What percentage of VAT registration numbers are issued within HMRC's two week target?

Photo of Jane Kennedy Jane Kennedy Financial Secretary, HM Treasury

I am assured that HMRC will have met the targets in place for such registrations by the end of January.

Photo of Anne Begg Anne Begg Labour, Aberdeen South

With all the publicity about Northern Rock and various other things, it is important that the Government get the message across that it is right for people to save. But it is difficult for people to open a bank account if they do not have an address, they are not a householder or they do not have a passport. People under 16 have particular difficulty in opening a bank account. If we do not get young people saving at an early age, we are not going to change the public perception of saving, or encourage more people to save. What are the Government going to do about that?

Photo of Andy Burnham Andy Burnham The Chief Secretary to the Treasury

My hon. Friend is absolutely right to raise that issue. I draw her attention to what the Government have done through the success of individual savings accounts. Nearly one in three adults—more than 17 million people—now have an ISA. She is absolutely right to say, however, that further work needs to be done to encourage those on lower incomes to make provision for their later life. She will know that we have piloted the savings gateway, which is a new approach to encouraging people to save, and we are considering the results of those pilots before making further decisions about extending the pilot more widely.

Photo of Andrew Robathan Andrew Robathan Opposition Deputy Chief Whip (Commons)

Topically, I received a letter recently telling me that 31 January is my final deadline for a tax return, and encouraging me to file my tax return online, saying that that was the best way for me to do so. Given our discussions on the efficiency of HMRC recently, how come I have also been sent a letter from HMRC saying that I cannot file online? Does the left hand not know what the right hand is doing at HMRC?

Photo of Jane Kennedy Jane Kennedy Financial Secretary, HM Treasury

The hon. Gentleman raises a fair point. There are categories of individual for whom security is a higher priority. [Hon. Members: "Oh!"] Not just Members of Parliament—there are several categories of people in that position, and HMRC does not have the facilities for them to file online. However, it is working to see what can be done to change that in future.

Photo of Adam Price Adam Price Spokesperson (Communities and Local Government; Culture, Media and Sport; Defence; Transport; Ministry of Justice)

With British Gas about to announce profits of £750 million, why has the Chancellor rejected Ofgem's proposal for a windfall tax on energy suppliers?

Photo of Alistair Darling Alistair Darling The Chancellor of the Exchequer

I met representatives of Ofgem about 10 days ago because I want to ensure that we have a competitive market in this country for electricity. The hon. Gentleman is right—several companies have announced significant increases for a variety of reasons, while other companies have been able to manage things differently and have not had to do that. However, Ofgem's proposals are just that—Ofgem's proposals.