– in the House of Commons at 9:33 am on 18 May 2007.
Votes in this debate
David Howarth
Shadow Minister (Energy), Trade & Industry
9:33,
18 May 2007
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. At this point in the day, is it in order to move a motion that the House do sit in private? It has been almost customary for an hon. Member to do so. Today, however, a large number of petitions are before the House. Will you rule on whether it is in order to move a motion that the House do sit in private when the next business is the presentation of petitions? It seems to me that the whole purpose of presenting a petition is that it is done in public, so the two Standing Orders are in conflict—
Sylvia Heal
Deputy Speaker
Order. I remind the hon. Gentleman that he is raising a point of order rather than making a speech. I will now rule on that point of order. Of course, a motion that the House do sit in private can be moved at any stage during today's debate.
Andrew Dismore
Labour, Hendon
I beg to move, That the House do sit in private.
Question put forthwith, pursuant to
The House proceeded to a Division.
Sylvia Heal
Deputy Speaker
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
Division number 118
Motion to sit in private
David Winnick
Labour, Walsall North
9:50,
18 May 2007
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. On Wednesday, in response to a point of order from me regarding today's debate, Mr. Speaker said that everyone will get a voice in this Chamber, which is of course to be expected. Will there be a proper opportunity to debate fully the important issues addressed by the private Member's Bill that we are about to discuss, and which is of crucial importance to the standing of Parliament? You will have noticed, Madam Deputy Speaker, that a number of Ministers and Whips are present. That places us ordinary Back Benchers at a disadvantage—
Sylvia Heal
Deputy Speaker
Order. I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman is beginning to debate the Bill rather than make his point of order, which I shall respond to. As always, the occupant of the Chair will ensure that there is fair debate and will judge that on the conduct of the debate during this morning's proceedings.
Andrew Dismore
Labour, Hendon
Further to an earlier point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker, as the Liberal Democrats are so keen on presenting their petitions, would it not be appropriate for them to inform the House why they were so tardy in the Lobby that we had to wait for the Serjeant at Arms to chase them out?
Sylvia Heal
Deputy Speaker
That is not a point of order for the Chair.
David Maclean
Chair, Statutory Instruments (Joint Committee), Chair, Statutory Instruments (Select Committee), Chair, Statutory Instruments (Joint Committee), Chair, Statutory Instruments (Select Committee)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I was going to raise the same point as Mr. Dismore. Although it has been ruled as a non-point of order, it is still a valid debating point.
Sylvia Heal
Deputy Speaker
Order. I shall now proceed to take petitions, to enable Members who wish to present them to do so.
Norman Baker
Liberal Democrat, Lewes
I have six petitions, Madam Deputy Speaker, and I seek your guidance as to whether they should be presented in the order in which they were submitted. Is that important?
Sylvia Heal
Deputy Speaker
All the petitions are down to be presented at the commencement of proceedings, as provided for in the Standing Orders.
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