I will in a moment, but to my hon. Friend Mr. Chope.
"The figures being widely quoted of up to 20,000 may turn out to not be too far off the total reduction in workforce numbers this year".
In fact, what the NHS Confederation is saying is worse than I thought because it is talking about an overall reduction of 20,000, whereas I am talking only about an announced 20,000 posts to be cut in the hospital sector. One might have imagined that there would be at least some compensating increase in posts in the community sector, but that is not, apparently, the experience of the NHS Confederation.