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Clause 8 — Attendance at a place used for Terrorist Training

Orders of the Day — Terrorism Bill — [2nd Allotted Day ] – in the House of Commons at 2:36 pm on 3rd November 2005.

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Amendment proposed: No. 59, page 10, line 14, at end add—

(7) It shall be a defence to an offence under this section for a defendant to show on the balance of probabilities that his attendance at any place used for terrorist training was—

(a) for the purpose of preventing the instruction or training taking place; or

(b) for the purpose of gathering information about the instruction or training; or

(c) involuntary.—[Mr. Grieve.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 223, Noes 316.

Division number 77 Terrorism Bill — Clause 8 — Attendance at a place used for Terrorist Training

Aye: 223 MPs

No: 315 MPs

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Nos: A-Z by last name

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Absent: 104 MPs

Absents: A-Z by last name

Question accordingly negatived.

Question proposed, That the clause stand part of the Bill.

Photo of Rob Marris Rob Marris Labour, Wolverhampton South West

Clause 8(4) states that a summary conviction in England and Wales could result in a sentence of up to 12 months, but in Scotland only six months. Why is there a discrepancy?

Photo of Paul Goggins Paul Goggins Parliamentary Under-Secretary, Home Office

If my hon. Friend will be patient, I shall drop him a line very soon with the answer to that question. It is important that all the penalties set out in such legislation are coherent and fit well with each other according to the seriousness of the offence.

Photo of Frank Cook Frank Cook Labour, Stockton North

I shall now put the Question—

Photo of John Bercow John Bercow Conservative, Buckingham

I apologise for being slow to rise and I am sorry if an air of world-weary cynicism greeted my attempt to contribute. I simply wish to ask the Minister politely if the hurried written note that he has promised will be forthcoming before the vote.

Photo of Paul Goggins Paul Goggins Parliamentary Under-Secretary, Home Office

I will make the note available at the earliest opportunity. As soon as I am able to provide it to my hon. Friend Rob Marris, I will be happy to provide a copy to the hon. Gentleman and to ensure that all hon. Members know what it may contain.

Clause 8 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 9 to 11 ordered to stand part of the Bill.