Orders of the Day — Identity Cards Bill

Part of the debate – in the House of Commons at 6:09 pm on 28th June 2005.

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Photo of Justine Greening Justine Greening Conservative, Putney 6:09 pm, 28th June 2005

On the penetration of security, we currently have 80 million national insurance numbers in this country, but only 60 million people.


Siegfried Sassoon
Posted on 8 Jul 2005 11:32 pm (Report this annotation)

err, yeah, foreigners temporarily working in the UK can get a NI number, and so can all our visitors since 1911. Suggests that many may have died / left since.

Harold Fuchs
Posted on 31 Aug 2005 8:21 am (Report this annotation)

If "foreigners temporarily working in the UK can get a NI number" (to quote Doug Monro), why won't those same foreigners get ID cards? How else will those foreigners be able to avail themselves of services in the UK for which we subjects will need ID cards?

The Ferret
Posted on 1 Sep 2005 10:04 pm (Report this annotation)

They will be able to get ID cards, presumably, but the ID card will contain a good deal more information than a NINO record; it can be obvious from an ID card on what basis the holder holds it (including immigration status), whereas a NINO number just provides access to national insurance information.

Duplicate NINO records typically exist because someone was registered at or about age 16, didn't use the system for a long time, and assumed that no NINO had been issued when they later return. This especially occurs when the first NINO is issued by the National Health end of the system and the second by the tax end.