Part of the debate – in the House of Commons at 4:22 pm on 14 June 2005.
The Minister keeps saying that things have moved on. His argument is that the Government can now take the lottery money and spend it for themselves, and that that is all right because we are 10 years on and things have moved on. That is not what the issue is about—it is about how the money that people think goes towards good causes should be distributed and whether the Government should be able to direct that money.