Emissions Trading Scheme

Oral Answers to Questions — Trade and Industry – in the House of Commons at 11:30 am on 7 April 2005.

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Photo of Anne McIntosh Anne McIntosh Shadow Minister (Environment, Food and Rural Affairs), Shadow Minister (Transport) 11:30, 7 April 2005

If she will make a statement on the impact of the European Union emissions trading scheme on UK business.

Photo of Mike O'Brien Mike O'Brien Minister of State (Energy & e-Commerce), Department of Trade and Industry

The emissions trading scheme affects 12,000 installations across the EU and aims to tackle the problem of global warning and climate change by reducing emissions. To protect our competitive position in the world, the UK Government have allocated allowances to industry in a way that recognises their projected needs. One sector that has a below business-as-usual allocation is the electricity supply sector, but it is not subject to substantial international competition.

Photo of Anne McIntosh Anne McIntosh Shadow Minister (Environment, Food and Rural Affairs), Shadow Minister (Transport)

I am grateful to the Minister for that reply, but I am sure that he is aware that his Government are in danger of speaking with forked tongue. His Department has agreed to negotiate with Europe on this matter, but the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs is the lead Department. Under the national allocation plan, a number of high-energy industrial companies have reached a climate change agreement that will be subject to a decision—taken behind closed doors and with no politicians present—of a comitology committee of national officials in the European Commission on whether the climate change agreements will be exempt from the Commission's trading plan. The Minister was kind enough to meet me to discuss this point. Will he assure me that progress has been made and that those companies will not face the double whammy of being subjected to a national allocation plan and a European Union emissions trading scheme?

Photo of Mike O'Brien Mike O'Brien Minister of State (Energy & e-Commerce), Department of Trade and Industry

The Government believe that the provisions of the climate change agreements satisfy the temporary exclusion criteria that allow installations to opt out of phase 1 of the EU emissions trading scheme. We are working with companies to reach agreement on how to put forward various proposals to the EU to allow certain exclusions. Obviously, the final allocations cannot be made until the Commission and the comitology committee have made a decision. We have, however, informed operators that they should monitor emissions from 1 January 2005, in case approval is not given. I take the hon. Lady's point, however, and when we return to Government in due course, I shall be happy to discuss with her the problems in her constituency.

Photo of Eric Illsley Eric Illsley Labour, Barnsley Central

May I reinforce that last point on climate change agreements and emissions controls by referring to the glass industry? I urge my hon. Friend to consider the precarious competitive position of that industry, which is subject to emissions limits under the climate change agreement. Will he ensure that he takes no action on emissions agreements that will dent the industry's competitiveness any further?

Photo of Mike O'Brien Mike O'Brien Minister of State (Energy & e-Commerce), Department of Trade and Industry

If we are to deal with global warming and climate change, there will be implications for industry. Those implications will, however, stretch right across the EU and, we hope, across the wider world as well in due course. All of those areas will have to take steps to deal with emissions. We are watching with great care to see how the ETS and the climate change agreements will operate, to ensure that the UK maintains its competitiveness. That will apply to the glass industry as well.

Photo of Crispin Blunt Crispin Blunt Opposition Whip (Commons)

Will the Minister confirm that Britain was unable to take part in the EU emissions trading scheme when it began operating on 1 January 2005 because his Government got the national allocation plan wrong? Will he also confirm that the Government have had to go to the Commission on bended knee to try to change the allocation to make it less damaging to British industry and that the Commission has said no? Who is going to take responsibility for this mistake?

Photo of Mike O'Brien Mike O'Brien Minister of State (Energy & e-Commerce), Department of Trade and Industry

I will not confirm the nonsense that the hon. Gentleman has just spouted. The Government propose to issue the allocation of 736 million allowances—which has already been approved by the Commission—as soon as possible to allow the operators of UK installations covered by the scheme to start participating fully, as they wish to do.

There is an argument over 20 million of the allocations. Those relate to one specific sector—energy generation—because we have allocated the rest of industry on the basis of its projected needs. Therefore, although one sector will be affected, it is not subject to substantial international competition and we believe that it will be able to deal with that. We also believe that we have a strong case and we are prepared to take it to the European Court of Justice if that should prove necessary.

Photo of Mr George Foulkes Mr George Foulkes Labour/Co-operative, Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley

Is the Minister aware that even people who have been around as long as I have can change their mind? When I was on the energy review committee, as a former nuclear sceptic, I came to the view that we can achieve our emissions targets and a balanced energy policy only if we replace our existing nuclear capacity. When will the Government grasp the nettle and take a decision on that?

Photo of Mike O'Brien Mike O'Brien Minister of State (Energy & e-Commerce), Department of Trade and Industry

We wait for those companies that want to make a viable economic proposition to build a nuclear reactor. If they came forward, we would have an open mind on the issue. We have been very clear about that. We have said that we would publish a White Paper and hold a widespread consultation, but I have to tell my right hon. Friend and the many supporters of nuclear power generation in the House that at this point there is not an economic case that is causing companies to come forward and volunteer to build a nuclear reactor. If that should change, we would have an open mind.