Welfare of Child and Consideration of His Views

Orders of the Day — Children (Scotland) Bill – in the House of Commons at 7:30 pm on 1st May 1995.

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Amendment proposed: No. 154, in page 13, line 4, at end insert— '(5) If, for the purpose of protecting members of the public from serious harm (whether or not physical harm)—

  1. (a) a children's hearing consider it necessary to make a decision under or by virtue of this Part of this Act which (but for this paragraph) would not be consistent with their affording paramountcy to the consideration mentioned in subsection (1) above, they may make that decision; or
  2. (b) a court considers it necessary to make a determination under or by virtue of Chapters 1 to 3 of this Part of this Act which (but for this paragraph ) would not be consistent with its affording such paramountcy, it may make that determination.'.—[Lord James Douglas-Hamilton.]
Question put, That the amendment be made.

Photo of Mrs Maria Fyfe Mrs Maria Fyfe , Glasgow Maryhill

Just a brief question—

Photo of Mr Michael Morris Mr Michael Morris , Northampton South

Order. This has already been debated. I have just put the Question.

Photo of Mrs Maria Fyfe Mrs Maria Fyfe , Glasgow Maryhill

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I know that it has been debated but we have not voted on it.

Photo of Mr Michael Morris Mr Michael Morris , Northampton South

I shall put the question and, if hon. Members wish to vote, they may do so. We cannot debate it further.

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 208, Noes 63.

Division No. 141][9.30 pm
AYES
Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey)Burt, Alistair
Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby)Butcher, John
Allason, Rupert (Torbay)Butler, Peter
Ancram, MichaelCarlisle, Sir Kenneth (Lincoln)
Arbuthnot, JamesCarttiss, Michael
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)Cash, William
Arnold, Sir Thomas (Hazel Grv)Chapman, Sydney
Ashby, DavidClarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ru'clif)
Atkins, RobertClifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E)Coe, Sebastian
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham)Congdon, David
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset)Conway, Derek
Baldry, TonyCoombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st)
Bates, MichaelCoombs, Simon (Swindon)
Batiste, SpencerCope, Rt Hon Sir John
Bellingham, HenryCouchman, James
Beresford, Sir PaulCran, James
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnDavies, Quent'n (Stamford)
Body, Sir RichardDavis, David (Boothferry)
Booth, HartleyDay, Stephen
Boswell, TimDeva, Nirj Joseph
Bowis, JohnDevlin, Tim
Boyson, Rt Hon Sir RhodesDicks, Terry
Brandreth, GylesDouglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Brazier, JulianDover, Den
Bright, Sir GrahamDuncan, Alan
Brooke, Rt Hon PeterDuncan-Smith, Iain
Browning, Mrs AngelaDunn, Bob
Bruce, Ian (Dorset)Durant, Sir Anthony
Budgen, NicholasDykes, Hugh
Burns, SimonElletson, Harold
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield)Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Evans, Jonathan (Brecon)Monro, Sir Hector
Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley)Nelson, Anthony
Evans, Roger (Monmouth)Neubert, Sir Michael
Faber, DavidNicholls, Patrick
Fabricant, MichaelNicholson, David (Taunton)
Fenner, Dame PeggyOppenheim, Phillip
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight)Ottaway, Richard
Fishbum, DudleyPage, Richard
Forman, NigelPaice, James
Forsyth, Rt Hon Michael (Stirling)Patnick, Sir Irvine
Forth, EricPattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring)Pickles, Eric
Freeman, Rt Hon RogerPorter, David (Waveney)
French, DouglasPortillo, Rt Hon Michael
Fry, Sir PeterRathbone, Tim
Gale, RogerRichards, Rod
Gallie, PhilRifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
Gardiner, Sir GeorgeRobertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S)
Gill, ChristopherRobinson, Mark (Somerton)
Gillan, CherylRoe, Mrs Marion (Broxboume)
Goodson-Wickes, Dr CharlesRowe, Andrew (Mid Kent)
Gorman, Mrs TeresaRyder, Rt Hon Richard
Gorst, Sir JohnSackville, Tom
Grant,Sir A(SW Cambs)Shaw, David (Dover)
Greenway, Harry (Eating N)Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
Greenway, John (Ryedale)Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N)Shersby, Michael
Hague, WilliamSims, Roger
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir ArchibaldSkeet, Sir Trevor
Hampson, Dr KeithSmith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Hannam, Sir JohnSoames, Nicholas
Hargreaves, AndrewSpencer, Sir Derek
Harris, DavidSpicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Heald, OliverSpink, Dr Robert
Hendry, CharlesSproat, Iain
Hicks, RobertSquire, Robin (Hornchurch)
Hill, James (Southampton Test)Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Hordem, Rt Hon Sir PeterStephen, Michael
Howard, Rt Hon MichaelStem, Michael
Howarth, Alan (Strat'rd-on-A)Streeter, Gary
Hughes, Robert G (Harrow W)Sumberg, David
Hunt, Sir John (Ravensboume)Sykes, John
Hunter, AndrewTaylor, John M (Solihull)
Jack, MichaelTaylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E)
Jackson, Robert (Wantage)Temple-Morris, Peter
Jenkin, BernardThomason, Roy
Jessel, TobyThompson, Sir Donald (Cer V)
Jones, Robert B (W Hertfdshr)Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Kellett-Bowman, Dame ElaineThornton, Sir Malcolm
King, Rt Hon TomThumham, Peter
Knapman, RogerTownsend, Cyril D (Bexl'yh'th)
Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash)Trotter, Neville
Knight, Greg (Derby N)Twinn, Dr Ian
Knox, Sir DavidVaughan, Sir Gerard
Kynoch, George (Kincardine)Walker, Bill (N Tayside)
Lait, Mrs JacquiWaller, Gary
Lang, Rt Hon IanWard, John
Lawrence, Sir IvanWardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Legg, BarryWaterson, Nigel
Lennox-Boyd, Sir MarkWatts, John
Lidington, DavidWells, Bowen
Lightbown, DavidWhitney, Ray
Lord, MichaelWhittingdale, John
Luff, PeterWiddecombe, Ann
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir NicholasWiggin, Sir Jerry
MacKay, AndrewWilkinson, John
McLoughlin, PatrickWilletts, David
Maitland, Lady OlgaWinterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Malone, GeraldWolfson, Mark
Marlow, TonyYoung, Rt Hon Sir George
Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr BrianTellers for the Ayes:
Merchant, PiersMr. Timothy Wood and
Mills, IainMr. Timothy Kirkhope.
NOES
Adams, Mrs IreneKennedy, Charles (Ross, C&S)
Ashdown, Rt Hon PaddyLiddell, Mrs Helen
Banks, Tony (Newham NW)McAllion, John
Barnes, HarryMcAvoy, Thomas
Battle, JohnMcFall, John
Betts, CliveMcKelvey, William
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)Maclennan, Robert
Caravan, DennisMcMaster, Gordon
Chisholm, MalcolmMahon, Alice
Clarke, Eric (Midlothian)Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE)Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute)
Dalyell, TarnO'Brien, William (Normanton)
Darling, AlistairOlner, Bill
Davidson, IanPike, Peter L
Dixon, DonPowell, Ray (Ogmore)
Donohoe, Brian HRaynsford, Nick
Dowd, JimRedmond, Martin
Dunnachie, JimmyReid, Dr John
Rendel, David
Ewing, Mrs MargaretRobertson, George (Hamilton)
Flynn, PaulRooney, Terry
Foster, Don (Bath)Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Fyfe, MariaSimpson, Alan
Galbraith, SamSkinner, Dennis
Golding, Mrs UinSpellar, John
Graham, ThomasSteinberg, Gerry
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Hanson, DavidWallace, James
Hardy, PeterWelsh, Andrew
Hoyie, DougWray, Jimmy
Illsley, Eric
Ingram, AdamTellers for the Noes:
Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side)Dr. Norman A. Godman and
Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C)Mr. Michael Conarty.

Question accordingly agreed to.