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Oral Answers to Questions — Attorney-General – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 24th July 1989.

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Photo of Mr Tam Dalyell Mr Tam Dalyell , Linlithgow 12:00 am, 24th July 1989

To ask the Attorney-General what steps he takes to ensure the secure storage of documents relating to his legal advice to Ministers.

Photo of Sir Patrick Mayhew Sir Patrick Mayhew , Tunbridge Wells

My Department follows established procedures.

Photo of Mr Tam Dalyell Mr Tam Dalyell , Linlithgow

On the subject of misconduct, may I ask, in a quiet and sensible way, whether Mr. Ingham did not get hold of legal advice and approve its quite improper disclosure in relation to the Solicitor-General's own letter on Westlands? Also on the question of misconduct, was not Sir Michael Havers so angry when he returned from his sick bed that he threatened to have Scotland Yard at the door of No. 10 Downing street if an inquiry was not set up? Equally, on the question of misconduct—gross misconduct—did not the Prime Minister, when cornered and in difficulty—she is now forming another Cabinet—resort, at column 657 of the Official Report for 27 January 1986, to telling Parliament, in order to get out of her difficulty, a self-preserving and self-seeking lie?

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. The hon. Gentleman knows far better than that. Will he please withdraw that last comment?

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. Will the hon. Gentleman please withdraw that comment?

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. I would be deeply reluctant to have to take action on this. Will the hon. Gentleman withdraw that final remark?

Photo of Dennis Skinner Dennis Skinner Member, Labour Party National Executive Committee

He said it last week and nobody pulled him up.

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. I am dealing with this. Will the hon. Gentleman withdraw that comment?

Photo of Mr Tam Dalyell Mr Tam Dalyell , Linlithgow

Who does a greater injury to Parliament, a Prime Minister who lies—

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. I am not concerned with that matter. The hon. Gentleman must now obey my request or take the consequences.

Photo of Mr Tam Dalyell Mr Tam Dalyell , Linlithgow

We have to be quite clear—

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. The hon. Gentleman is putting in jeopardy the questions of other Members of Parliament. I will give him one more chance. Will he withdraw that comment, please?

Photo of Mr Tam Dalyell Mr Tam Dalyell , Linlithgow

This is too serious a matter. It is dragging on and on. As you know, Mr. Speaker I have been to see you about this issue. It is a serious matter. Our questions have been pushed aside. Question after question has not been answered. What does the House expect—

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. I have already said this and I am deeply reluctant to say it again. Is the hon. Gentleman refusing to withdraw that word?

Photo of Mr Tam Dalyell Mr Tam Dalyell , Linlithgow

If I had wanted to withdraw it I would not have said it. It is the truth.

Photo of Sir Patrick Mayhew Sir Patrick Mayhew , Tunbridge Wells

To my great personal regret, it falls to me to move, That Mr. Tam Dalyell be suspended from the service of the House.Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 43 (Order in debate):The House proceeded to a division

Photo of Ian Taylor Ian Taylor , Esher

(seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Is it in order that we are about to lose Overseas Development questions, particularly those on Brazilian rain forests which were tabled by several Conservative Members, because of the disgraceful behaviour of Labour Members?

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

It is not a question of order; it is a question of fact.

The House having divided: Ayes 188, Noes 28.

Division No. 315][3.21 pm
AYES
Adams, Allen (Paisley N)Garel-Jones, Tristan
Adley, RobertGlyn, Dr Alan
Alison, Rt Hon MichaelGolding, Mrs Llin
Allason, RupertGorst, John
Anderson, DonaldGow, Ian
Arbuthnot, JamesGrant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW)
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Ashby, DavidGregory, Conal
Atkinson, DavidGround, Patrick
Batiste, SpencerGummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn
Beaumont-Dark, AnthonyHamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Beith, A. J.Hanley, Jeremy
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)Hannam, John
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir PeterHaselhurst, Alan
Bonsor, Sir NicholasHeathcoat-Amory, David
Boscawen, Hon RobertHeddle, John
Boswell, TimHicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Bottomley, PeterHiggins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)Hill, James
Bowis, JohnHowarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)
Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir RhodesHowarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)
Brandon-Bravo, MartinHughes, Roy (Newport E)
Brazier, JulianHunt, David (Wirral W)
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon AlickHunter, Andrew
Buck, Sir AntonyHurd, Rt Hon Douglas
Butler, ChrisIngram, Adam
Butterfill, JohnIrvine, Michael
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)Jack, Michael
Carrington, MatthewJanman, Tim
Cartwright, JohnJessel, Toby
Cash, WilliamJones, Robert B (Herts W)
Chapman, SydneyJopling, Rt Hon Michael
Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n)Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Conway, DerekKennedy, Charles
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)Key, Robert
Coombs, Simon (Swindon)King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Cormack, PatrickKinnock, Rt Hon Neil
Cran, JamesKirkhope, Timothy
Currie, Mrs EdwinaKirkwood, Archy
Curry, DavidKnapman, Roger
Davis, David (Boothferry)Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Day, StephenLang, Ian
Devlin, TimLatham, Michael
Dickens, GeoffreyLawrence, Ivan
Dorrell, StephenLennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesLightbown, David
Dover, DenLloyd, Sir Ian (Havant)
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs GwynethLloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Durant, TonyLord, Michael
Dykes, HughLyell, Sir Nicholas
Eggar, TimMcCrindle, Robert
Fallon, MichaelMcKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Fenner, Dame PeggyMaclean, David
Finsberg, Sir GeoffreyMaclennan, Robert
Forman, NigelMcLoughlin, Patrick
Forth, EricMcNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Foster, DerekMalins, Humfrey
Fox, Sir MarcusMaples, John
Gardiner, GeorgeMarlow, Tony
Marshall, John (Hendon S)Speed, Keith
Marshall, Michael (Arundel)Speller, Tony
Martin, David (Portsmouth S)Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)
Mates, MichaelSpicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Maude, Hon FrancisStanbrook, Ivor
Mawhinney, Dr BrianStanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir PatrickSteel, Rt Hon David
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)Stern, Michael
Molyneaux, Rt Hon JamesStewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Monro, Sir HectorStokes, Sir John
Morrison, Sir CharlesSumberg, David
Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester)Tapsell, Sir Peter
Mudd, DavidTaylor, Ian (Esher)
Newton, Rt Hon TonyThorne, Neil
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)Thurnham, Peter
Onslow, Rt Hon CranleyTracey, Richard
Owen, Rt Hon Dr DavidTredinnick, David
Page, RichardTrotter, Neville
Parkinson, Rt Hon CecilTwinn, Dr Ian
Patnick, IrvineWaddington, Rt Hon David
Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath)Wakeham, Rt Hon John
Portillo, MichaelWalker, Bill (T'side North)
Powell, William (Corby)Ward, John
Raffan, KeithWells, Bowen
Renton, TimWheeler, John
Rhodes James, RobertWhitney, Ray
Riddick, GrahamWiddecombe, Ann
Rowe, AndrewWiggin, Jerry
Sackville, Hon TomWilliams, Rt Hon Alan
Scott, Rt Hon NicholasWood, Timothy
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')Yeo, Tim
Shelton, Sir WilliamYoung, Sir George (Acton)
Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
Shersby, MichaelTellers for the Ayes:
Skeet, Sir TrevorMr. Kenneth Carlisle and Mr. John M. Taylor.
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
NOES
Benn, Rt Hon TonyMcAllion, John
Callaghan, JimMcCartney, Ian
Canavan, DennisMcKelvey, William
Clwyd, Mrs AnnMadden, Max
Cohen, HarryMahon, Mrs Alice
Cox, TomPatchett, Terry
Dalyell, TamRedmond, Martin
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l)Salmond, Alex
Eadie, AlexanderSedgemore, Brian
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray)Vaz, Keith
Flannery, MartinWilliams, Alan W. (Carm'then)
Galloway, GeorgeWinnick, David
Hardy, Peter
Heffer, Eric S.Tellers for the Noes:
Litherland, RobertMr. Dennis Skinner and Mr. Harry Barnes.
Livingstone, Ken

Question accordingly agreed to.

Ordered,That Mr. Tam Dalyell be suspended from the service of the House.