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Rate Support Grant: Special Provisions

Orders of the Day — Local Government Finance Bill – in the House of Commons at 11:30 pm on 26th January 1987.

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Consultation

1.—(1) Sub-paragraphs (2) and (3) below apply as regards the Rate Support Grant Report for England for the year beginning in 1987 and the Rate Support Grant Report for Wales for that year.

(2) If the Secretary of State proposes to include in such a Report any specification under section 1(6), 2(4) or 3(1), (7) or (8) of this Act in respect of that year, section 60(5) of the 1980 Act shall not require consultation to be made (as regards that Report) as to any matter relating to such a specification.

(3) The requirements of section 60(5) of the 1980 Act may be satisfied (as regards such a Report) by consultation before the passing of this Act.

(4) Sub-paragraphs (5) and (6) below apply as regards—

  1. (a) the first supplementary report proposed to be made after the passing of this Act for England for the year beginning in 1985,
  2. (b) the first supplementary report proposed to be so made for England for the year beginning in 1986, and
  3. (c) the first supplementary report proposed to be made for Wales for the year beginning in 1986.

(5) If the Secretary of State proposes to include in such a report any specification under section 1(6), 2(4) or 3(1), (7) or (8) of this Act in respect of the year concerned, section 60(5) of the 1980 Act (as applied by section 61(2)) shall not require consultation to be made (as regards that report) as to any matter relating to such a specification.

(6) The requirements of section 60(5) of the 1980 Act (as applied by section 61(2)) may be satisfied (as regards such a report) by consultation before the passing of this Act.

(7) Sub-paragraphs (2) and (3) above also apply as regards any Report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for any Report mentioned in sub-paragraph (1) above.
Sub-paragraphs (5) and (6) above also apply as regards any report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for—

  1. (a) the first supplementary report made after the passing of this Act for England for the year beginning in 1985,
  2. (b) the first supplementary report so made for England for the year beginning in 1986, or
  3. (c) the first supplementary report so made for Wales for the year beginning in 1986.

(9) In a case where sub-paragraph (2) or (5) above applies, section 9(4) of this Act shall not apply in relation to the exercise of the power to specify.

Certain matters to he disregarded

2.—(1) In making any determination or doing any other thing (other than making an excepted specification) after the passing of this Act for the purposes of any relevant report, the Secretary of State shall leave out of account information and representations received by him on or after the relevant date.

(2) Part VI of the 1980 Act shall have effect subject to this paragraph.

(3) In this paragraph "relevant report" means any report as regards which paragraph 1(2) and (3) above or 1(5) and (6) above apply.

(4) In this paragraph "the relevant date" means 20th December 1986 in the case of

  1. (a) the Rate Support Grant Report for England for the year beginning in 1987.
  2. (b) any Report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for the Report mentioned in paragraph (a) above.
  3. (c) the report mentioned in paragraph 1(4)(b) above, or
  4. (d) any report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for the report mentioned in paragraph 1(8)(b) above.

(5) In this paragraph "the relevant date" means 11th December 1986 in the case of—

(a) the report mentioned in paragraph 1(4)(b) above, or

(b) any report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for the report mentioned in paragraph 1(8)(a) above.

(6) In this paragraph "the relevant date" means 4th December 1986 in the case of—

  1. (a) the Rate Support Grant Report for Wales for the year beginning in 1987,
  2. (b) any Report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for the Report mentioned in paragraph (a) above,
  3. (c) the report mentioned in paragraph 1(4)(c) above, or
  4. (d) any report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for the report mentioned in paragraph 1(8)(c) above.

(7) In this paragraph "an excepted specification" means a specification made under section 1(6), 2(4) or 3(1), (7) or (8) of this Act.

Submissions as to total expenditure

3.—(1) Sub-paragraph (2) below applies where before the relevant date a local authority submitted to the Secretary of State an amount which it estimates as its total expenditure in relation to any relevant year.

(2) In doing any of the acts mentioned in sub-paragraph (3) below the Secretary of State shall treat the a mount submitted as the amount of the authority's total expenditure in relation to the year.

(3) The acts are—

  1. (a) making any determination or doing any other thing after the passing of this Act for the pruposes of any relevant report, and
  2. (b) making under section 66(1) of the 1980 Act the first estimate and notification to be made after the passing of this Act as regards the authority concerned for the year for which the amount was submitted.

(4) Part VI of the 1980 Act shall have effect subject to this paragraph.

(5) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (2) above—

  1. (a) if the authority and the Secretary of State agreed before the relevant date an amount to replace any amount submitted, the amount submitted shall he taken to be the amount agreed, and
  2. (b) subject to paragraph (a) above, if more than one amount was submitted before the relevant date, the amount submitted shall be taken to be the latest to be so submitted.

(6) For the purposes of this paragraph years beginning in 1985 and 1986 are relevant years as regards England, and the year beginning in 1986 is a relevant year as regards Wales.

(7) In this paragraph "relevant report" means any report as regards which paragraph 1(5) and (6) above apply.

(8) In this paragraph "the relevant date" means—

  1. (a) 20th December 1986, in the case of an amount submitted by an English authority for the year beginning in 1986,
  2. (b) 11th December 1986, in the case of an amount submitted by an English authority for the year beginning in 1985, or
  3. (c) 4th December 1986, in the case of an amount submitted by a Welsh authority for the year beginning in 1986.

Teachers' remuneration

4.—(1) In making any determination or doing any other thing after the passing of this Act for the purposes of any Report as regards which paragraph 1(2) and (3) above apply, the Secretary of State shall leave out of account the matters mentioned in sub-paragraph (2) below.

(2) The matters are scales and allowances which relate to the remuneration of school teachers and provide for remuneration greater than the aggregate of—

  1. (a) the remuneration in payment on 19th December 1986, and
  2. (b)3·75 per cent. of the remuneration mentioned in paragraph (a) above (3·75 per cent. being the approximate increase in the GDP deflator for 1987–88, as predicted in the Autumn Statement 1986 presented to Parliament by the Chancellor of the Exchequer in November 1986).

(3) In making any determination or doing any other thing after the passing of this Act for the purposes of—

  1. (a) the report mentioned in paragraph 1(4)(b) above or that mentioned in paragraph 1(4)(c) above, or
  2. (b) any report proposed to be made in substitution (directly or indirectly) for the report mentioned in paragraph 1(8)(b) above or that mentioned in paragraph 1(8)(c) above,
the Secretary of State shall leave out of account the matters mentioned in sub-paragraph (4) below.

(4) The matters are scales and allowances which relate to the remuneration of school-teachers and provide for remuneration greater than the remuneration in payment on 19th December 1986.
(5) Part VI of the 1980 Act and paragraph 3 above shall have effect subject to this paragraph.

(6) In this paragraph "school-teacher" means—

  1. (a) a teacher in a primary or secondary school maintained by a local education authority, or
  2. (b) a person employed by a local education authority as a teacher in the provision of primary or secondary education, other than a person employed as a teacher in an establishment maintained by a local authority in the exercise of a social services.'.—[Neubert]

Brought up, read the First and Second time, and added to the Bill.

Bill reported, with amendments; as amended, considered.

Question proposed, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—

Photo of Mr Allan Roberts Mr Allan Roberts , Bootle 12:03 am, 26th January 1987

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In Committee, amendment No. 189 was moved and put to a vote. Both the movers of the amendment probably either voted against the amendment or abstained. That kind of precedent is unusual and would have been debated on Report. However, we have been denied a Report stage. Will it be possible to ensure that the other place debates that amendment and the significance of hon. Members tabling amendments and then voting against them, so that Halifax and Batley and Spen can know what is happening?

Photo of Mr Ernest Armstrong Mr Ernest Armstrong , North West Durham

There was nothing out of order in the proceedings.

Question put:—

The House divided: Ayes 233, Noes 165.

Division No. 74][12.05 am
AYES
Aitken, JonathanHamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Alexander, RichardHannam,John
Alison, Rt Hon MichaelHarris, David
Amess, DavidHayes, J.
Ancram, MichaelHeathcoat-Amory, David
Arnold, TomHicks, Robert
Ashby, DavidHiggins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Atkinson, David (B'm'th E)Holland, Sir Philip (Gedling)
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)Howarth, Alan (Stratf'd-on-A)
Batiste, SpencerHowarth, Gerald (Cannock)
Bellingham, HenryHowell, Ralph (Norfolk, N)
Bendall, VivianJackson, Robert
Benyon, WilliamKnowles, Michael
Best, KeithKnox, David
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnLamont, Rt Hon Norman
Biggs-Davison, Sir JohnLatham, Michael
Blackburn, JohnLawler, Geoffrey
Body, Sir RichardLawrence, Ivan
Bonsor, Sir NicholasLeigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Boscawen, Hon RobertLennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Bottom ley, PeterLester, Jim
Bottomley, Mrs VirginiaLilley, Peter
Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n)Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Boyson, Dr RhodesLord, Michael
Brandon-Bravo, MartinLuce, Rt Hon Richard
Bright, GrahamLyell, Nicholas
Brinton, TimMcCrindle, Robert
Brittan, Rt Hon LeonMcCurley, Mrs Anna
Brooke, Hon PeterMacfarlane, Neil
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes)MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire)
Browne, JohnMacKay, John (Argyll & Bute)
Bruinvels, PeterMaclean, David John
Buck, Sir AntonyMcLoughlin, Patrick
Budgen, NickMcNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st)
Bulmer, EsmondMcQuarrie, Albert
Burt, AlistairMadel, David
Butcher, JohnMajor, John
Butterfill, JohnMalins, Humfrey
Carlisle, John (Luton N)Malone, Gerald
Carttiss, MichaelMaples, John
Cash, WilliamMarland, Paul
Chapman, SydneyMarlow, Antony
Chope, ChristopherMarshall, Michael (Arundel)
Churchill, W. S.Mates, Michael
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)Mather, Sir Carol
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushclifie)Mayhew, Sir Patrick
Cockeram, EricMerchant, Piers
Colvin, MichaelMeyer, Sir Anthony
Conway, DerekMiller, Hal (B'grove)
Coombs, SimonMills, lain (Meriden)
Cope, JohnMiscampbell, Norman
Couchman, JamesMitchell, David (Hants NW)
Cranborne, ViscountMoate, Roger
Crouch, DavidMonro, Sir Hector
Currie, Mrs EdwinaMontgomery, Sir Fergus
Dickens, GeoffreyMorrison, Hon C. (Devizes)
Dicks, TerryMoynihan, Hon C.
Dorrell, StephenNeale, Gerrard
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J.Nelson, Anthony
Dover, DenNeubert, Michael
du Cann, Rt Hon Sir EdwardNewton, Tony
Dunn, RobertNicholls, Patrick
Durant, TonyOnslow, Cranley
Dykes, HughOppenheim, Phillip
Eggar, TimOttaway, Richard
Evennett, DavidPage, Richard (Herts SW)
Forman, NigelPatten, Christopher (Bath)
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)Patten, J. (Oxf W & Abgdn)
Forth, EricPawsey, James
Fox, Sir MarcusPollock, Alexander
Franks, CecilPortillo, Michael
Garel-Jones, TristanPowell, William (Corby)
Glyn, Dr AlanPowley, John
Gow, IanPrice, Sir David
Gower, Sir RaymondProctor, K. Harvey
Griffiths, Sir EldonRaffan, Keith
Raison, Rt Hon TimothyTaylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Rathbone, TimTemple-Morris, Peter
Rhodes James, RobertTerlezki, Stefan
Rhys Williams, Sir BrandonThatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M.
Ridley, Rt Hon NicholasThomas, Rt Hon Peter
Ridsdale, Sir JulianThompson, Donald (Calder V)
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)Thornton, Malcolm
Robinson, Mark (N'port W)Thurnham, Peter
Roe, Mrs MarionTownend, John (Bridlington)
Rost, PeterTrippier, David
Rowe, AndrewTrotter, Neville
Rumbold, Mrs AngelaTwinn, Dr lan
Ryder, Richardvan Straubenzee, Sir W.
Sackville, Hon ThomasVaughan, Sir Gerard
Sainsbury, Hon TimothyViggers, Peter
Sayeed, JonathanWakeham, Rt Hon John
Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)Waldegrave, Hon William
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')Walden, George
Shelton, William (Streatham)Walker, Bill (T'side N)
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)Waller, Gary
Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)Ward, John
Shersby, MichaelWardle, C. (Bexhill)
Silvester, FredWarren, Kenneth
Skeet, Sir TrevorWatson, John
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)Watts, John
Speed, KeithWells, Bowen (Hertford)
Speller, TonyWells, Sir John (Maidstone)
Spencer, DerekWheeler, John
Spicer, Jim (Dorset W)Whitfield, John
Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)Whitney, Raymond
Squire, RobinWiggin, Jerry
Stanbrook, IvorWolfson, Mark
Stanley, Rt Hon JohnWood, Timothy
Steen, AnthonyWoodcock, Michael
Stern, MichaelYeo, Tim
Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)Young, Sir George (Acton)
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood)Tellers for the Ayes:
Stewart, Ian (Hertf'dshire N)Mr. Francis Maude and
Stradling Thomas, Sir JohnMr. David Lightbown.
Taylor, John (Solihull)
NOES
Adams, Allen (Paisley N)Corbett, Robin
Alton, DavidCorbyn, Jeremy
Anderson, DonaldCraigen, J. M.
Archer, Rt Hon PeterCrowther, Stan
Ashley, Rt Hon JackCunliffe, Lawrence
Atkinson, N. (Tottenham)Cunningham, Dr John
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Davies, Ronald (Caerphilly)
Banks, Tony (Newham NW)Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l)
Barron, KevinDeakins, Eric
Beckett, Mrs MargaretDewar, Donald
Bell, StuartOixon, Donald
Benn, Rt Hon TonyDobson, Frank
Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh)Dormand, Jack
Bermingham, GeraldDubs, Alfred
Bidwell, SydneyDunwoody, Hon Mrs G.
Blair, AnthonyEadie, Alex
Boyes, RolandEastham, Ken
Bray, Dr JeremyEvans, John (St. Helens N)
Brown, Gordon (D'f'mline E)Fatchett, Derek
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Faulds, Andrew
Brown, N. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne E)Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Buchan, NormanFields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn)
Caborn, RichardFisher, Mark
Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M)Flannery, Martin
Campbell-Savours, DaleFoot, Rt Hon Michael
Canavan, DennisForrester, John
Carter-Jones, LewisFoster, Derek
Clark, Dr David (S Shields)Foulkes, George
Clarke, ThomasFraser, J. (Norwood)
Clay, RobertFreud, Clement
Clelland, David GordonGeorge, Bruce
Clwyd, Mrs AnnGilbert, Rt Hon Dr John
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S)Godman, Dr Norman
Cohen, HarryGolding, Mrs Llin
Conlan, BernardGould, Bryan
Cook, Frank (Stockton North)Hamilton, James (M'well N)
Cook, Robin F. (Livingston)Hamilton, W. W. (Fife Central)
Hancock, MichaelPendry, Tom
Harrison, Rt Hon WalterPike, Peter
Heffer, Eric S.Prescott, John
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)Radice, Giles
Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall)Randall, Stuart
Home Robertson, JohnRaynsford, Nick
Howarth, George (Knowsley, N)Redmond, Martin
Hoyle, DouglasRees, Rt Hon M. (Leeds S)
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)Richardson, Ms Jo
Hughes, Roy (Newport East)Roberts, Allan (Bootle)
Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S)Roberts, Ernest (Hackney N)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)Robertson, George
Janner, Hon GrevilleRooker, J. W.
John, BrynmorRoss, Ernest (Dundee W)
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)Rowlands, Ted
Kaufman, Rt Hon GeraldSedgemore, Brian
Lambie, DavidSheerman, Barry
Lamond, JamesSheldon, Rt Hon R.
Leadbitter, TedShore, Rt Hon Peter
Leighton, RonaldShort, Ms Clare (Ladywood)
Lewis, Terence (Worsley)Short, Mrs H.(W'hampt'n NE)
Litherland, RobertSilkin, Rt Hon J.
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)Skinner, Dennis
Lofthouse, GeoffreySmith, C.(lsl'ton S & F'bury)
Loyden, EdwardSmith, Rt Hon J. (M'ds E)
McCartney, HughSnape, Peter
McDonald, Dr OonaghSoley, Clive
McKay, Allen (Penistone)Spearing, Nigel
McNamara, KevinStott, Roger
McWilliam, JohnStraw, Jack
Madden, MaxThomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Marshall, David (Shettleston)Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen)
Martin, MichaelThompson, J. (Wansbeck)
Maxton, JohnThorne, Stan (Preston)
Maynard, Miss JoanTinn, James
Meacher, MichaelWarden, Gareth (Gower)
Meadowcroft, MichaelWareing, Robert
Michie, WilliamWeetch, Ken
Millan, Rt Hon BruceWelsh, Michael
Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)White, James
Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)Williams, Rt Hon A.
Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)Winnick, David
Nellist, DavidYoung, David (Bolton SE)
Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
O'Brien, WilliamTellers for the Noes:
O'Neill, MartinMr. Frank Haynes and
Park, GeorgeMr. Ray Powell.
Patchett, Terry

Question accordingly agreed to.

Bill read the Third time, and passed.