Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis

Oral Answers to Questions — Home Department – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 18th December 1986.

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Photo of Hon. Douglas Hurd Hon. Douglas Hurd , Witney

I met the Commissioner yesterday, when we discussed his strategy for next year.

Photo of Mr Chris Smith Mr Chris Smith , Islington South and Finsbury

Did the Home Secretary take the opportunity to commend the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis on his commitment to include the issue of domestic violence—assault against women in their own homes—as one of the principal force goals for 1987? However, at the same time, did he take the opportunity to express his disappointment at the apparent lack of urgency that the Metropolitan police seem to have in following up the recommendations of their own working party on this issue, particularly the pilot project to establish police prosecutions as a third party in an area such as Hounslow? If not, will he do so and stress the urgency and importance of this issue?

Photo of Hon. Douglas Hurd Hon. Douglas Hurd , Witney

We discussed this issue. I welcome what the Commissioner has done to insert this in his strategy. It is a difficult matter for the police, as the hon. Gentleman will recognise. That is why, sometimes in the past, police forces have been hesitant about getting involved in it. We all understand the need for the police to be sensitive and active in dealing with this matter. When we discuss the strategy, and when the hon. Gentleman as a London Member discusses it, he can press home his points.

Photo of Mr John Wheeler Mr John Wheeler , Westminster North

Does my right hon. Friend support the Commissioner in his 1987 theme of safety and the citizen? In thinking about that theme, does he congratulate the Commissioner on his determination to reduce racial attacks in London, to improve the prevention and detection of burglary, particularly through the neighbourhood watch schemes, and to concentrate on reducing the number of robberies in certain parts of London, where the problem is of great concern to the citizen?

Photo of Hon. Douglas Hurd Hon. Douglas Hurd , Witney

I agree with my hon. Friend on all those points. I hope that the Metropolitan police will be able successfully to recruit up to the increased establishments that I have given them so that they can meet those tasks. My hon. Friend will have noticed the increased emphasis that the Metropolitan police are giving to dealing with the problem of racial attacks, as I saw for myself in Tower Hamlets last week.

Photo of Mr Tony Banks Mr Tony Banks , Newham North West

Is the Home Secretary aware that the great majority of Londoners want to see the police dealing more effectively with street crime, with the theft of vehicles, with house burglary, with enforcing bus lanes—

Photo of Mr Tony Banks Mr Tony Banks , Newham North West

The hon. Gentleman should watch what he is saying. He has a very loose tongue and a wild and silly mind.

Will the Home Secretary realise that such matters as the enforcement of bus lanes and illegal parking on yellow lines are of great concern to Londoners? They would much rather see the police looking after those aspects of law enforcement than being out at Wapping, making sure that scabs get through picket lines and that Murdoch's filthy newspapers get on to the streets of London.

Photo of Hon. Douglas Hurd Hon. Douglas Hurd , Witney

I am not sure about bus lanes, but the hon. Gentleman's point about the futility of tying down so many police at Wapping is right, as I saw for myself last week. I hope that the hon. Gentleman and his hon. Friends will use their influence to ensure that, whatever course this dispute between Mr. Murdoch and his employees takes, it does not continue to force the deployment of so many hundreds of policemen at Wapping.

Photo of Mr Hugh Dykes Mr Hugh Dykes , Harrow East

Will my right hon. Friend during those discussions with the Commissioner talk also about the growing menace of violence in shops?

Photo of Hon. Douglas Hurd Hon. Douglas Hurd , Witney

Yes. That is important. It is one of the themes of our standing conference on crime prevention and one on which I keep in close touch with Baroness Phillips and all those concerned.

Photo of Mr Alfred Dubs Mr Alfred Dubs , Battersea

Is the Home Secretary aware that the annual crime rate in London is now 200,000 above the 1978 rate when Labour was in office, that that represents an increase of 35 per cent., and that, on average, two London families in five will have among their numbers a victim of crime during the present year? Does the right hon. Gentleman not realise, therefore, that Londoners are contemptuous of the Government's claims that they are doing something about law and order in the capital?

Photo of Hon. Douglas Hurd Hon. Douglas Hurd , Witney

The hon. Gentleman and his hon. Friends make no mileage with that kind of point, and I shall tell them why. They try occasionally to clamber aboard our policies—for example, on crime prevention and victim support—but, on the whole, people in London associate them with those boroughs in London the Labour leaders of which concentrate on undermining and abusing the police.

Photo of Mr John Biggs-Davison Mr John Biggs-Davison , Epping Forest

Will my right hon. Friend consider with the Commissioner the policing of Waltham Abbey, where regular fights between youthful gangs now aflict that formerly peaceful town? Is it not the case that there are no more police on the streets now than there were in the 1920s? Is my right hon. Friend satisfied with the strength and the establishment of the Metropolitan police?

Photo of Hon. Douglas Hurd Hon. Douglas Hurd , Witney

I am not satisfied with the Metropolitan police strength, because they are 600 below the establishment which I have authorised. One of their main tasks in the coming year is to recruit and keep the officers necessary to reach the increased establishment which I have set. They are going all out to do that. The more the Metropolitan police can do that, the more police officers there will be, particularly in the outer London boroughs, which I readily recognise suffer from the inevitable, and right, concentration which the Commissioner has decided to deal with some other problems in the more acute areas.