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Orders of the Day — Social Security Bill – in the House of Commons at 7:45 pm on 20th May 1986.

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Photo of Margaret Beckett Margaret Beckett Shadow Minister (Social Security) 7:45 pm, 20th May 1986

I beg to move amendment No. 93, in page 72, line 22, leave out subsection (2).

Without this amendment, half a million children will lose their entitlement to free school meals. All free school milk will be lost because authorities will have to charge for it, and 150,000 children from the poorest families—those on less than £100 a week — will receive compensation of only 44p a week for that loss. We are worried about the effect on families. We are worried, as are the local authorities, about the fact that the Government appear to wish to deny them the right to make differential charges between primary and secondary schools. We are worried about the jobs of those who work in the school meals service, which are undoubtedly at risk.

We are concerned most of all because the Government say that the savings that will be made will be offset by the compensation given to families. There are, therefore, no advantages to the Government on their figures and there are disadvantages to the workers, to the children in those families and, indeed, to the country.

Photo of Mr Tony Newton Mr Tony Newton , Braintree

On our reckoning more than 60,000 children will be better off under these arrangements.

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 181, Noes 311.

Division No. 188][8.00 pm
AYES
Adams, Allen (Paisley N)Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)
Alton, DavidBrown, N. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne E)
Anderson, DonaldBrown, R. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne N)
Archer, Rt Hon PeterBrown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith)
Ashley, Rt Hon JackBruce, Malcolm
Ashton, JoeCallaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M)
Atkinson, N. (Tottenham)Campbell, Ian
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Campbell-Savours, Dale
Banks, Tony (Newham NW)Canavan, Dennis
Barnett, GuyCartwright, John
Beckett, Mrs MargaretClark, Dr David (S Shields)
Beith, A. J.Clarke, Thomas
Bell, StuartClay, Robert
Benn, Rt Hon TonyClwyd, Mrs Ann
Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh)Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S)
Bermingham, GeraldCohen, Harry
Bidwell, SydneyColeman, Donald
Blair, AnthonyCook, Frank (Stockton North)
Boothroyd, Miss BettyCook, Robin F. (Livingston)
Boyes, RolandCorbett, Robin
Brown, Gordon (D'f'mline E)Corbyn, Jeremy
Cox, Thomas (Tooting)Maxton, John
Craigen, J. M.Meacher, Michael
Crowther, StanMeadowcroft, Michael
Cunliffe, LawrenceMichie, William
Cunningham, Dr JohnMikardo, Ian
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (L'lli)Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'I)Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Deakins, EricMorris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Dewar, DonaldMorris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Dixon, DonaldNellist, David
Dobson, FrankOakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Dormand, JackO'Brien, William
Douglas, DickO'Neill, Martin
Dubs, AlfredParry, Robert
Duffy, A. E. P.Patchett, Terry
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G.Pavitt, Laurie
Eadie, AlexPendry, Tom
Edwards, Bob (W'h'mpt'n SE)Pike, Peter
Fatchett, DerekPowell, Rt Hon J. E.
Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn)Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Fisher, MarkPrescott, John
Flannery, MartinRandall, Stuart
Forrester, JohnRaynsford, Nick
Foster, DerekRedmond, Martin
Foulkes, GeorgeRees, Rt Hon M. (Leeds S)
Fraser, J. (Norwood)Richardson, Ms Jo
George, BruceRoberts, Allan (Bootle)
Godman, Dr NormanRoberts, Ernest (Hackney N)
Gould, BryanRobertson, George
Gourlay, HarryRobinson, G. (Coventry NW)
Hamilton, W. W. (Fife Central)Rogers, Allan
Hancock, MichaelRoss, Ernest (Dundee W)
Hardy, PeterSheldon, Rt Hon R.
Harrison, Rt Hon WalterShields, Mrs Elizabeth
Haynes, FrankShore, Rt Hon Peter
Heffer, Eric S.Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood)
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)Short, Mrs R.(W'hampt'n NE)
Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall)Silkin, Rt Hon J.
Home Robertson, JohnSkinner, Dennis
Howells, GeraintSmith, C.(lsl'ton S & F'bury)
Hoyle, DouglasSmith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Hughes, Dr Mark (Durham)Snape, Peter
Hughes, Roy (Newport East)Spearing, Nigel
Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S)Stewart, Rt Hon D. (W Isles)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)Stott, Roger
Hume, JohnStrang, Gavin
Janner, Hon GrevilleStraw, Jack
John, BrynmorThomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen)
Kennedy, CharlesThompson, J. (Wansbeck)
Kilroy-Silk, RobertThome, Stan (Preston)
Kirkwood, ArchyTinn, James
Lambie, DavidTorney, Tom
Leadbitter, TedWainwright, R.
Leighton, RonaldWalker, Cecil (Belfast N)
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)Wallace, James
Lewis, Terence (Worsley)Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Litherland, RobertWareing, Robert
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)Weetch, Ken
Lofthouse, GeoffreyWelsh, Michael
McCartney, HughWhite, James
McDonald, Dr OonaghWigley, Dafydd
McGuire, MichaelWilliams, Rt Hon A.
McKelvey, WilliamWilson, Gordon
MacKenzie, Rt Hon GregorWinnick, David
McNamara, KevinWoodall, Alec
McTaggart, RobertWrigglesworth, Ian
Madden, MaxYoung, David (Bolton SE)
Mallon, Seamus
Marek, Dr JohnTellers for the Ayes:
Marshall, David (Shettleston)Mr. Allen McKay and Mr. John McWilliam.
Martin, Michael
Mason, Rt Hon Roy
NOES
Adley, RobertAncram, Michael
Aitken, JonathanAshby, David
Alexander, RichardAtkins, Rt Hon Sir H.
Alison, Rt Hon MichaelAtkins, Robert (South Ribble)
Amess, DavidAtkinson, David (B'm'th E)
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Vall'y)Freeman, Roger
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)Fry, Peter
Baldry, TonyGalley, Roy
Banks, Robert (Harrogate)Gardiner, George (Reigate)
Batiste, SpencerGardner, Sir Edward (Fylde)
Beaumont-Dark, AnthonyGarel-Jones, Tristan
Bendall, VivianGlyn, Dr Alan
Bennett, Rt Hon Sir FredericGoodhart, Sir Philip
Benyon, WilliamGoodlad, Alastair
Best, KeithGorst, John
Bevan, David GilroyGower, Sir Raymond
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnGrant, Sir Anthony
Biggs-Davison, Sir JohnGreenway, Harry
Blackburn, JohnGregory, Conal
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir PeterGriffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N)
Body, Sir RichardGrist, Ian
Bonsor, Sir NicholasGround, Patrick
Boscawen, Hon RobertGrylls, Michael
Bottomley, PeterHamilton, Hon A. (Epsom)
Bottomley, Mrs VirginiaHamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n)Hanley, Jeremy
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)Hannam, John
Boyson, Dr RhodesHargreaves, Kenneth
Brandon-Bravo, MartinHarris, David
Brinton, TimHarvey, Robert
Brittan, Rt Hon LeonHavers, Rt Hon Sir Michael
Brooke, Hon PeterHawkins, C. (High Peak)
Browne, JohnHawkins, Sir Paul (N'folk SW)
Bruinvels, PeterHawksley, Warren
Bryan, Sir PaulHayes, J.
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A.Heathcoat-Amory, David
Buck, Sir AntonyHeddle, John
Budgen, NickHickmet, Richard
Bulmer, EsmondHill, James
Burt, AlistairHind, Kenneth
Butcher, JohnHirst, Michael
Butler, Rt Hon Sir AdamHogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Butterfill, JohnHolland, Sir Philip (Gedling)
Carlisle, John (Luton N)Holt, Richard
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Hordern, Sir Peter
Carttiss, MichaelHowarth, Alan (Stratf'd-on-A)
Chapman, SydneyHowell, Rt Hon D. (G'ldford)
Chope, ChristopherHowell, Ralph (Norfolk, N)
Churchill, W. S.Hubbard-Miles, Peter
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)Hunt, John (Ravensbourne)
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)Hunter, Andrew
Clegg, Sir WalterHurd, Rt Hon Douglas
Cockeram, EricJackson, Robert
Coombs, SimonJessel, Toby
Cormack, PatrickJohnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Corrie, JohnJones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Couchman, JamesJones, Robert (Herts W)
Cranborne, ViscountJopling, Rt Hon Michael
Critchley, JulianJoseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith
Currie, Mrs EdwinaKellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine
Dickens, GeoffreyKershaw, Sir Anthony
Dorrell, StephenKey, Robert
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J.Knight, Greg (Derby N)
Dover, DenKnight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
du Cann, Rt Hon Sir EdwardKnowles, Michael
Durant, TonyKnox, David
Dykes, HughLamont, Norman
Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke)Lang, Ian
Emery, Sir PeterLatham, Michael
Evennett, DavidLawler, Geoffrey
Fairbairn, NicholasLawrence, Ivan
Fallon, MichaelLawson, Rt Hon Nigel
Farr, Sir JohnLee, John (Pendle)
Favell, AnthonyLester, Jim
Fenner, Mrs PeggyLightbown, David
Finsberg, Sir GeoffreyLilley, Peter
Fookes, Miss JanetLloyd, Ian (Havant)
Forman, NigelLloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)Lord, Michael
Forth, EricLuce, Rt Hon Richard
Fowler, Rt Hon NormanMcCrindle, Robert
Fox, MarcusMcCurley, Mrs Anna
Franks, CecilMacfarlane, Neil
Fraser, Peter (Angus East)MacGregor, Rt Hon John
MacKay, John (Argyll & Bute)Shelton, William (Streatham)
Maclean, David JohnShepherd, Colin (Hereford)
McLoughlin, PatrickShepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury)Silvester, Fred
McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st)Sims, Roger
McQuarrie, AlbertSkeet, Sir Trevor
Major, JohnSmith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Malins, HumfreySmith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Malone, GeraldSoames, Hon Nicholas
Maples, JohnSpeed, Keith
Marland, PaulSpeller, Tony
Marlow, AntonySpencer, Derek
Marshall, Michael (Arundel)Spicer, Jim (Dorset W)
Maude, Hon FrancisSpicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Mawhinney, Dr BrianSquire, Robin
Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinStanbrook, Ivor
Mayhew, Sir PatrickStanley, Rt Hon John
Mellor, DavidSteen, Anthony
Merchant, PiersStern, Michael
Miller, Hal (B'grove)Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)
Mills, lain (Meriden)Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Miscampbell, NormanStewart, Andrew (Sherwood)
Mitchell, David (Hants NW)Stewart, Ian (Hertf'dshire N)
Monro, Sir HectorStokes, John
Montgomery, Sir FergusStradling Thomas, Sir John
Moore, Rt Hon JohnSumberg, David
Morris, M. (N'hampton S)Tapsell, Sir Peter
Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes)Taylor, John (Solihull)
Morrison, Hon P. (Chester)Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Moynihan, Hon C.Temple-Morris, Peter
Murphy, ChristopherThatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M.
Neale, GerrardThomas, Rt Hon Peter
Nelson, AnthonyThompson, Patrick (N'ich N)
Neubert, MichaelThorne, Neil (Word S)
Newton, TonyThornton, Malcolm
Nicholls, PatrickThurnham, Peter
Norris, StevenTownend, John (Bridlington)
Onslow, CranleyTownsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Oppenheim, PhillipTracey, Richard
Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S.Trippier, David
Page, Sir John (Harrow W)Trotter, Neville
Page, Richard (Herts SW)Twinn, Dr Ian
Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecilvan Straubenzee, Sir W.
Pattie, GeoffreyVaughan, Sir Gerard
Pawsey, JamesViggers, Peter
Peacock, Mrs ElizabethWaddington, David
Percival, Rt Hon Sir IanWakeham, Rt Hon John
Pollock, AlexanderWaldegrave, Hon William
Porter, BarryWalden, George
Portillo, MichaelWall, Sir Patrick
Powley, JohnWaller, Gary
Prentice, Rt Hon RegWalters, Dennis
Price, Sir DavidWard, John
Prior, Rt Hon JamesWardle, C. (Bexhill)
Proctor, K. HarveyWarren, Kenneth
Pym, Rt Hon FrancisWatson, John
Raffan, KeithWatts, John
Raison, Rt Hon TimothyWells, Bowen (Hertford)
Rhodes James, RobertWheeler, John
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)Whitfield, John
Robinson, Mark (N'port W)Wiggin, Jerry
Roe, Mrs MarionWinterton, Mrs Ann
Rossi, Sir HughWinterton, Nicholas
Rost, PeterWolfson, Mark
Rowe, AndrewWood, Timothy
Rumbold, Mrs AngelaWoodcock, Michael
Ryder, RichardYeo, Tim
Sainsbury, Hon TimothyYoung, Sir George (Acton)
St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon N.
Sayeed, JonathanTellers for the Noes:
Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)Mr. Donald Thompson and Mr. Mark Lennox-Boyd.
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')

Question accordingly negatived.

It being after Eight o'clock, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER proceeded, pursuant to the Order [15 April] and the Resolution [19 May], to put forthwith the Question on the remaining amendments and on a new schedule moved by a member of the Government.