Fleet Air Arm

Oral Answers to Questions — Defence – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 2 July 1985.

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Photo of Mr Stuart Randall Mr Stuart Randall , Kingston upon Hull West 12:00, 2 July 1985

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning Fleet Air Arm manning.

Photo of Mr John Lee Mr John Lee , Pendle

Recruiting problems coupled with the duration of training have created shortages in some areas, but steps are being taken to overcome deficiencies.

Photo of Mr Stuart Randall Mr Stuart Randall , Kingston upon Hull West

How much time will front-line air and ground crews spend with their families under the Government's lunatic cost-cutting programme, which is resulting in each of our aircraft carriers not being fully equipped with their own aircraft and manpower—[HON. MEMBERS: "Reading."]

Photo of Mr Bernard Weatherill Mr Bernard Weatherill , Croydon North East

Order. The hon. Gentleman is not reading; he is referring to his notes.

Photo of Mr Stuart Randall Mr Stuart Randall , Kingston upon Hull West

I am not sure whether I should start again, Mr. Speaker.

Is the Minister aware that a similar scheme was tried about 20 years ago, which resulted in a sharp increase in voluntary resignations? What level of manpower wastage does he expect from this policy, and what will it mean in money terms?

Photo of Mr John Lee Mr John Lee , Pendle

We are operating a policy of having two carriers fully operational at any one time, and there will be two air groups. We believe that position to be satisfactory. Overall, we have about 40 Sea Harriers in service or on order.

Photo of Mr Martin O'Neill Mr Martin O'Neill , Clackmannan

But is it not the case that we have three aircraft carriers and two crews and are awaiting 23 aircraft to come on stream? Until that happens, there will be problems with the use of any back-up force and difficulties such as we saw during the Falklands war.

Will the Minister assure us that the problems that confront that section of the Fleet Air Arm will be alleviated quickly so that morale does not plummet further?

Photo of Mr John Lee Mr John Lee , Pendle

I assure the hon. Gentleman that the air groups are needed only on operational carriers. In times of tension, training and reserve personnel and aircraft will be fully utilised.

If the hon. Gentleman looks back to the period of the last Labour Administration, he will see that during 1977–78 more than 50 per cent. of Fleet Air Arm pilots chose to leave mid-way through their trained service at their first opportunity, primarily on pay grounds.

Photo of Peter Viggers Peter Viggers , Gosport

Does my hon. Friend agree that Fleet Air Arm personnel are highly skilled and highly trained? Does it not take some years to build up those skills? Is it not an unfortunate experience to see the Opposition trying to leap on the bandwagon by claiming that the skills are not currently available?

Photo of Mr John Lee Mr John Lee , Pendle

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It takes about four years to train a Sea Harrier pilot, at a cost of about £2·8 million. We are taking a number of measures to improve the position. Recruiting to the Fleet Air Arm has been increased substantially, training capacity expanded, wastage reduced and the methods of pilot training are being studied.