Will not my right hon. Friend accept that it is a significant statistic that British Rail covers a far higher proportion of its operating costs with fares than do other European railways? Does not he agree that quoting statistics, as he did in reply to the last question, takes no account of the enormous density of traffic on our commuter and suburban routes, compared, for instance, with Switzerland? Can my right hon. Friend say when anyone asked him to provide a statistic showing how much subsidy or profit the M4 or the M6 motorways made last year?