That is true. The precise way in which this would operate in practice has to be considered with great care. The hon. Gentleman is quick to sense that there is widespread misunderstanding about the executive functions of the Privy Council.

Finniston proposed an equal balance between the employer and the academic and professional interests, with an industrialist as chairman. Others have proposed that a majority of seats should be reserved to nominees of employers' organisations, professional institutions, educational groups or, indeed, the Fellowship of Engineering. The balance of these suggestions has depended on which institution or group has put forward the proposal. For example, the Council of Engineering Institutions, which we all recognise would be much affected under the Finniston propsals, has argued for three new bodies based on what it sees as the three sets of functions proposed by Finniston—accreditation and registration, professional affairs, and what is described as an "engine of change ". But it is right to point out that most others appear to favour a single body to oversee the whole effort.

It is now for the Government to consider their conclusions on those issues falling to them—notably the question of an engineering authority. Our intention is that these conclusions will be reached and announced as soon as possible. In this process I take seriously the views that many hon. Members have put to us, which we have had the opportunity of considering. However, I welcome the fact that in providing time today the Government have opened up the debate for a final word from the House before reaching their conclusions on phase 1.