Miscellaneous Recommendations

– in the House of Commons at 9:06 pm on 31st October 1979.

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Motion made and Question proposed,That this House agrees with the recommendations contained in the first, second, third, fourth, sixth, seventh and eighth reports of the Sessional Committee on Procedure of Session 1976–77, relating to the calling of amendments for Division, points of order during Divisions, Opposition motions on Supply days, business of the House motions the operation of Standing Order No. 9, ballots for Private Members' motions and Bills, and the tabling of amendments to Bills on Second Reading.—[Mr. St. John-Stevas.]

Photo of Mr George Thomas Mr George Thomas , Cardiff West

On this, I shall first call the amendment that deals with points of order during a Division.

Amendment proposed, to leave out "Second".—[Mr. George Cunningham.]

Question put. That the amendment be made.

The House proceeded to a Division

Photo of Mr Cranley Onslow Mr Cranley Onslow , Woking

(seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. As it is in the interests of hon. Members that they should know what they are voting for and what they are voting against, may I commend to them the advantages of being attired in this way?

The House having divided: Ayes 103, Noes 194.

Division No. 90]AYES[10.40 p.m.
Allaun, FrankFletcher, Ted (Darlington)Pavitt, Laurie
Alton, DavidFoster, DerekPowell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Ashton, JoeFraser, Peter (South Angus)Prescott, John
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone)Golding, JohnPrice, Christopher (Lewisham West)
Beaumont-Dark, AnthonyGraham, TedPrice, David (Eastleigh)
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N)Grant, George (Morpeth)Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South)
Body, RichardHamilton, James (Bothwell)Richardson, Miss Jo
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)Rifkind, Malcolm
Campbell-Savours, DaleHarrison, Rt Hon WalterRooker, J. W.
Canavan, DennisHaynes, FrankRoper, John
Clark, David (South Shields)Hogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire)Sever, John
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S)Home Robertson, JohnSheerman, Barry
Cook, Robin F.Hooley, FrankSilvester, Fred
Cryer, BobJohn, BrynmorSkinner, Dennis
Cunliffe, LawrenceJones, Barry (East Flint)Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Cunningham, George (Islington S)Kaufman, Rt Hon GeraldSoley, Clive
Cunningham, Dr John (Whitehaven)Kilroy-Silk, RobertSpearing, Nigel
Dalyell, TamLambie, DavidSpriggs, Leslie
Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford)Lamond, JamesStott, Roger
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)Leighton, RonaldStrang, Gavin
Dewar, DonaldLewis, Ron (Carlisle)Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
Dixon, DonaldLitherland, RobertTinn, James
Dormand, JackLofthouse, GeoffreyWainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Douglas, DickLyons, Edward (Bradford Wed)Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Douglas-Mann, BruceMcDonald, Dr. OonaghWatson, John
Dubs, AlfredMcKay, Allen (Penistone)Welsh, Michael
Dunn, James A. (Liverpool, Kirkdale)McKelvey, WilliamWhite, Frank R. (Bury & Radcliffe)
Dunwoody, Mrs GwynethMacKenzie, Rt Hon GregorWigley, Dafydd
Eadle, AlexMadel, DavidWinnick, David
Eastham, KenMarks, KennethWolfson, Mark
Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire)Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)Woodall, Alec
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare)Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Evans, John (Newton)Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby)TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Ewing, HarryMorgan, GeraintMr. John Maxton and
Field, FrankOakes, Rt Hon GordonMr. David Stoddart.
Flannery, MartinParry, Robert
NOES
Aitken, JonathanBrinton, TimCope, John
Alexander, RichardBrittan, LeonCormack, Patrick
Alison, MichaelBrocklebank-Fowler, ChristopherCostain, A. P.
Ancram, MichaelBrooke, Hon PeterCranborne, Viscount
Atkins, Robert (Preston North)Brotherton, MichaelDover, Denshore
Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East)Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe)Dunlop, John
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset)Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S)Dunn, Robert (Dartford)
Banks, RobertBrowne, John (Winchester)Durant, Tony
Beith, A. J.Buchanan-Smith, Hon AlickDykes, Hugh
Bell, RonaldButcher, JohnEdwards, Rt Hon N. (Pembroke)
Berry, Hon AnthonyCarlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Eggar, Timothy
Best, KeithCarlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn)Emery, Peter
Bevan, David GilroyChalker, Mrs. LyndaEnglish, Michael
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnChannon, PaulEyre, Reginald
Blaker, PeterChapman, SydneyFairbairn, Nicholas
Boscawen, Hon RobertClark, Dr William (Croydon South)Fairgrieve, Russell
Bottomley, Peter (Woolwich West)Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Farr, John
Boyson, Dr RhodesClegg, WalterFenner, Mrs Peggy
Bright, GrahamCockeram, EricFinsberg, Geoffrey
Fisher, Sir NigelMacfarlane, NellRoberts, Wyn (Conway)
Fletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N)MacGregor, JohnRoss, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Fookes, Miss JanetMacKay, John (Argyll)Rossi, Hugh
Forman, NigelMajor, JohnSainsbury, Hon Timothy
Forrester, JohnMarlow, TonySt. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman
Garel-Jones, TristanMarten, Nell (Banbury)Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)
George, BruceMates, MichaelShelton, William (Streatham)
Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir IanMather, CarolShepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Gorst, JohnMaude, Rt Hon AngusShersby, Michael
Gow, IanMawhinney, Dr BrianSims, Roger
Gray, HamishMaxwell-Hyslop, RobinSkeet, T. H. H.
Greenway, HarryMayhew, PatrickSmith, Dudley (War. and Leam'ton)
Grimond, Rt Hon J.Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch)Speed, Keith
Grist, IanMills, Iain (Meriden)Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire)
Grylls, MichaelMitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen)Sproat, Iain
Gummer, John SelwynMoate, RogerSquire, Robin
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll)Molyneaux, JamesStainton, Keith
Hannam, JohnMonro, HectorStanbrook, Ivor
Havers, Rt Hon Sir MichaelMoore, JohnStanley, John
Hawksley, WarrenMorrison, Hon Charles (Devizes)Steel, Rt Hon David
Heddle, JohnMorrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester)Steen, Anthony
Heseltine, Rt Hon MichaelMorton, GeorgeStevens, Martin
Hicks, RobertMulley, Rt Hon FrederickStewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L.Murphy, ChristopherStradling Thomas, J.
Holland, Philip (Carlton)Myles, DavidTebbit, Norman
Hooson, TomNeedham, RichardThompson, Donald
Howell, Rt Hon David (Guildford)Nelson, AnthonyThorne, Neil (Ilford South)
Howells, GeraintNeubert, MichaelTownend, John (Bridlington)
Hunt, David (Wirral)Normanton, TomTrippier, David
Janner, Hon GrevilleOnslow, CranleyViggers, Peter
Jenkin, Rt Hon PatrickOppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs SallyWaddington, David
Johnson Smith, GeoffreyPage, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)Wakeham, John
Johnston, Russell (Inverness)Palmer, ArthurWaldegrave, Hon William
Jopling, Rt Hon MichaelPatten, Christopher (Bath)Walker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire)
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs ElainePatten, John (Oxford)Waller, Gary
Kimball, MarcusPattie, GeoffreyWheeler, John
King, Rt Hon TomPawsey, JamesWhitelaw, Rt Hon William
Lang, IanPenhaligon, DavidWhitney, Raymond
Lawrence, IvanPercival, Sir IanWickenden, Keith
Lawson, NigelPowell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down)Wiggin, Jerry
Le Marchant, SpencerProctor, K. HarveyWilliams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Lester, Jim (Beeston)Raison, TimothyWinterton, Nicholas
Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo)Rees, Peter (Dover and Deal)Young, Sir George (Acton)
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)Rhodes James, Robert
Luce, RichardRhys Williams, Sir BrandonTELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Lyell, NicholasRidley, Hon NicholasLord James Douglas-Hamilton and
McCusker, H.Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)Mr. Tony Newton.

Question accordingly negatived.

Amendment proposed, to leave out "Sixth"—[Mr. Merlyn Rees.]

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The House divided: Ayes 196, Noes 110.

Division No. 91]AYES[10.51 p.m.
Alexander, RichardClark, David (South Shields)English, Michael
Allaun, FrankClark, Dr William (Croydon South)Evans, Ioan (Aberdare)
Alton, DavidClegg, WalterEvans, John (Newton)
Ancram, MichaelCocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S)Ewing, Harry
Ashton, JoeCook, Robin F.Farr, John
Atkins, Robert (Preston North)Cormack, PatrickFenner, Mrs Peggy
Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East)Cranborne, ViscountField, Frank
Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham)Cryer, BobFlannery, Martin
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone)Cunliffe, LawrenceFletcher, Ted (Darlington)
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset)Cunningham, George (Islington S)Forrester, John
Beaumont-Dark, AnthonyCunningham, Dr John (Whitehaven)Foster, Derek
Beith, A. J.Dalyell, TarnGarel-Jones, Tristan
Bell, RonaldDavis, Terry (B'rm ham, Stechford)George, Bruce
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N)Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)Golding, John
Best, KeithDewar, DonaldGorst, John
Bevan, David GilroyDixon, DonaldGraham, Ted
Body, RichardDormand, JackGrant, George (Morpeth)
Bottomley, Peter (Woolwich West)Douglas, DickGreenway, Harry
Brocklebank-Fowler, ChristopherDouglas Mann, BruceGrimond, Rt Hon J.
Brotherton, MichaelDover, DenshoreGrylls, Michael
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe)Dubs, AlfredGummer, John Selwyn
Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S)Dunn, James A. (Liverpool, Kirkdale)Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll)
Browne, John (Winchester)Dunwoody, Mrs GwynethHamilton, James (Bothwell)
Bruce-Gardyne, JohnDurant, TonyHarrison, Rt Hon Walter
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)Eadie, AlexHawksley, Warren
Campbell-Savours, DaleEastham, KenHaynes, Frank
Canavan, DennisEggar, TimothyHeddle, John
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire)Heffer, Eric S.
Henderson, BarryMaxton, JohnSilvester, Fred
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L.Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinSkeet, T. H. H.
Hogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire)Millan, Rt Hon BruceSkinner, Dennis
Home Robertson, JohnMiller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch)Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Hooley, FrankMitchell, Austin (Grimsby)Soley, Clive
Howells, GeraintMitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen)Spearing, Nigel
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North)Moate, RogerSpriggs, Leslie
Janner, Hon GrevilleMontgomery, FergusSproat, Iain
John, BrynmorMorrison, Hon Charles (Devizes)Squire, Robin
Johnston, Russell (Inverness)Morton, GeorgeStanbrook, Ivor
Jones, Barry (East Flint)Mulley, Rt Hon FrederickSteel, Rt Hon David
Kaufman, Rt Hon GeraldMyles, DavidSteen, Anthony
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs ElaineNeedham, RichardStoddart, David
Kilroy-Silk, RobertNeubert, MichaelStrang, Gavin
Lambie, DavidOakes, Rt Hon GordonTaylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
Lamond, JamesOnslow, CranleyThompson, Donald
Lawrence, IvanPage, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)Tinn, James
Leighton, RonaldPalmer, ArthurTownend, John (Bridlington)
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)Parry, RobertUrwin, Rt Hon Tom
Litherland, RobertPatten, John (Oxford)Viggers, Peter
Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo)Pavitt, LaurieWainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)Pawsey, JamesWainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Lofthouse, GeoffreyPenhaligon, DavidWaldegrave, Hon William
Lyon, Alexander (York)Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)Waller, Gary
Lyons, Edward (Bradford West)Prescott, JohnWatson, John
McCrindle, RobertPrice, Christopher (Lewisham West)Welsh, Michael
McDonald, Dr. OonaghPrice, David (Eastleigh)Wheeler, John
McGuire, Michael (Ince)Proctor, K. HarveyWhite, Frank R. (Bury & Radcliffe)
McKay, Allen (Penistone)Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South)Wickenden, Keith
MacKay, John (Argyll)Richardson, Miss JoWigley, Dafydd
McKelvey, WilliamRooker, J. W.Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W)
MacKenzle, Rt Hon GregorRoper, JohnWilliams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Madel, DavidRoss, Stephen (Isle of Wight)Winterton, Nicholas
Major, JohnSever, JohnWoodall, Alec
Marks, KennethShaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Marlow, TonySheerman, BarryTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)Shelton, William (Streatham)Mr. David Winnick and
Mates, MichaelShepherd, Colin (Hereford)Mr. William Hamilton
Mawhinney, Dr BrianShersby, Michael
NOES
Alison, MichaelGray, HamishNott, Rt Hon John
Banks, RobertGrist, IanOppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs Sally
Berry, Hon AnthonyHampson, Dr KeithPatten, Christopher (Bath)
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnHannam, JohnPattie, Geoffrey
Blaker, PeterHaselhurst, AlanPercival, Sir Ian
Boscawen, Hon RobertHavers, Rt Hon Sir MichaelPowell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down)
Boyson, Dr RhodesHeseltine, Rt Hon MichaelRaison, Timothy
Bright, GrahamHooson, TomRees, Peter (Dover and Deal)
Brinton, TimHowell, Rt Hon David (Guildford)Rhodes James, Robert
Brittan, LeonHunt, David (Wirral)Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Buchanan-Smith, Hon AlickJenkin, Rt Hon PatrickRidley, Hon Nicholas
Butcher, JohnJohnson Smith, GeoffreyRoberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn)Jopling, Rt Hon MichaelRoberts, Wyn (Conway)
Chalker, Mrs. LyndaKimball, MarcusRossi, Hugh
Channon, PaulKing, Rt Hon TomSt. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman
Chapman, SydneyLang, IanSims, Roger
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Lawson, NigelSmith, Dudley (War. and Leam'ton)
Cockeram, EricLe Marchant, SpencerSpeed, Keith
Colvin, MichaelLester, Jim (Beeston)Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire)
Cope, JohnLuce, RichardStainton, Keith
Costain, A. P.Lyell, NicholasStanley, John
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesMcCusker, H.Stevens, Martin
Dunlop, JohnMacfarlane, NellStewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Dunn, Robert (Dartford)Marten, Nell (Banbury)Stradling Thomas, J.
Edwards, Rt Hon N. (Pembroke)Mather, CarolTebbit, Norman
Emery, PeterMaude, Rt Hon AngusThorne, Neil (Ilford South)
Eyre, ReginaldMawby, RayWaddington, David
Fairbairn, NicholasMayhew, PatrickWakeham, John
Fairgrieve, RussellMills, Iain (Meriden)Walker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire)
Finsberg, GeoffreyMolyneaux, JamesWhitelaw, Rt Hon William
Fisher, Sir NigelMonro, HectorWhitney, Raymond
Fletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N)Moore, JohnWiggin, Jerry
Fookes, Miss JanetMorgan, GeraintWolfson, Mark
Forman, NigelMorrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester)Young, Sir George (Acton)
Fraser, Peter (South Angus)Murphy, Christopher
Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir IanNelson, AnthonyTELLERS FOR THE NOES
Gourlay, HarryNewton, TonyMr. John MacGregor and
Gow, IanNormanton, TomMr. Peter Brooke.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Photo of Mr George Thomas Mr George Thomas , Cardiff West

In view of that decision, it is necessary for the right hon. Member for Leeds, South (Mr. Rees) to move a manuscript amendment.

Amendment made: Leave out the operation of Standing Order No. 9".—[Mr. Merlyn Rees.]

Main Question, as amended, put and agreed to.

Resolved,That this House agrees with the recommendations contained in the first, second third, fourth, seventh and eighth reports of the Sessional Committee on procedure of Session 1976–77, relating to the calling of amendments for Division, points of order during Divisions, Oppositon motions on Supply days, business of the House motion, ballot for Private Members' motions and Bills and the tabling of amendments to Bills on Second Reading.