Oral Answers to Questions — Wales – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 12th February 1979.

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Photo of Mr Wyn Roberts Mr Wyn Roberts , Conway 12:00 am, 12th February 1979

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list the employment exchange areas in Wales where unemployement is above the Welsh national average.

Photo of Sir John Morris Sir John Morris Secretary of State for Wales

In January 1979, 18 of the 40 travel-to-work areas in Wales had an unemployment rate above the Welsh average. With permission, I will publish details in the Official Report.

Photo of Mr Wyn Roberts Mr Wyn Roberts , Conway

What prospects of future employment does the Secretary of State hold out for those areas? Will he be the main provider of employment, or will it be provided by the Assembly? Is he aware that there is much confusion in the Welsh mind as to who will be the provider of jobs—the Assembly, as propounded by the "Yes" campaigners, or the right hon. and learned Gentleman, as he puts forward in his own claim?

Photo of Sir John Morris Sir John Morris Secretary of State for Wales

I am sorry that the hon. Gentleman, who I understood had been following the debates on the Wales Bill, has suddenly become so confused. I regret that. However, one day I shall take him aside and explain to him what has been explained time after time in debate, that matters for the economy remain at Westminster. If he does not know that now, he will never know it.

Photo of Mr Emlyn Hooson Mr Emlyn Hooson , Montgomery

Does the Secretary of State agree that the pattern of unemployment tends to show some differences from the past, in that the success of the Development Board for Rural Wales indicates that there is a tendenecy for more and more employers to want to go to rural areas? There is, therefore, a change in the pattern. Does the right hon. and learned Gentleman intend to provide more funds for the Board?

Photo of Sir John Morris Sir John Morris Secretary of State for Wales

The Board has had an increased amount of funds. It has been exceedingly successful. The fear put into the officials and the board of the DBRW by the Opposition has been a matter of great regret. They have recanted. But it is a deathbed repentence on their part. These important weapons—the WDA and the DBRW—are performing a real and important role in developing the economy of Wales. I give them every support.

Photo of Mr Neil Kinnock Mr Neil Kinnock Member, Labour Party National Executive Committee

Whilst totally accepting the view of my right hon. and learned Friend that improvements in the social and transport environment and the infrastructure of Wales will have an impact on the economic prospects of our country, will he say from where, under an Assembly, additional resources could be gained, without loss to those who are still desperately in need, to promote such improvements to a greater extent than he and local authorities try to do now?

Photo of Sir John Morris Sir John Morris Secretary of State for Wales

I am sure that my hon. Friend followed the discussions in detail. He should know by now that the block grant will be negotiated on, I hope, a basis that will recommend itself to him, namely, the basis of need—need in the past and need in the future. That is the basis of the negotiation. I find it odd that my hon. Friend should be going around Wales saying that there will be a dimininution of £1,000 million in the moneys for Wales.

Photo of Sir John Morris Sir John Morris Secretary of State for Wales

That is my understanding. If my hon. Friend did not say it, all the better.

No one should be under any misapprehension. The basis of negotiation will be the same—the needs of Wales—but the mechanism will be different. I do not suggest that there will be any extra money. [HON. MEMBERS: "Hear, hear."]—I wish that my hon. Friends who say "Hear, hear" had heard the debates, when we made it abundantly clear, time after time, that negotiations would be on the basis of need. No Socialist in the House would demur from the basis of need as the method of apportionment.

Photo of Mr George Thomas Mr George Thomas , Cardiff West

Order. Hon. Members are taking too long. I am the only person who can say nothing.

Following is the information:

January 1979
Travel-to-WorkTotal Unemployment Rate
Areaper cent
Blaneau Ffestiniog13·2
Milford Haven9·8
Pembroke Dock12·3
(Welsh Average at January 1979=8·6 per cent.)