Hooliganism and Vandalism

Oral Answers to Questions — Home Department – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 2 February 1978.

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Photo of Michael Mates Michael Mates , Petersfield 12:00, 2 February 1978

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied that magistrates' courts have adequate facilities at their disposal to enable them to deal with offences involving hooliganism and vandalism.

Photo of Mr Brynmor John Mr Brynmor John , Pontypridd

Yes, Sir. The courts have a wide range of sentencing options available to them in such cases.

Photo of Michael Mates Michael Mates , Petersfield

Is the Minister aware that there is growing dissatisfaction among magistrates at the lack of options open to them in dealing with these types of offender? Attendance centres have been set up. Why are there about 60 for those under 17 and only two for those between 17 and 21, in view of the hon. Gentleman's desire to encourage non-custodial options? Will he do something urgently to put that matter right and provide more of these cheap and effective means of dealing non-custodially with hooligans and vandals?

Photo of Mr Brynmor John Mr Brynmor John , Pontypridd

Junior attendance centres number 61. One more has recently been opened, and further centres are to be opened, The problem about senior attendance centres is that the advisory council that looked into the matter thought that it was an inappropriate type of disposition for people of that age, and the Government agree. Nevertheless, as magistrates believe that there is some value in the existing tool, I have deferred the closure of those attendance centres. As for other methods of non-custodial disposition, we are pressing on quickly with the extension of community service orders.

Photo of Mr Marcus Lipton Mr Marcus Lipton , Lambeth Central

Is it not the case that although magistrates have adequate facilities at their disposal they are not making use of those facilities and in many cases are imposing inadequate sentences?

Photo of Mr Brynmor John Mr Brynmor John , Pontypridd

As my hon. Friend will know, decisions in individual cases are for the magistrates. However, the Court of Appeal gave some guidance last week about the seriousness with which it views this category of case. I hope that hon. Members will study that guidance.

Photo of Peter Bottomley Peter Bottomley , Greenwich Woolwich West

Is the hon. Gentleman satisfied that magistrates receive sufficient feedback on the effect of the sentences that they impose on juveniles who are found guilty of crimes, or are they merely left to impose various sentences from within the short range at their disposal with not the slightest idea which are the most effective in which circumstances?

Photo of Mr Brynmor John Mr Brynmor John , Pontypridd

The problem in any penal policy is to monitor and assess accurately the effectiveness of any particular disposition. I have no doubt that in many cases magistrates suffer from an absence of information on their disposition. One of the measures is the incidence of re-offence.

Photo of Mr David Howell Mr David Howell , Guildford

Will the Minister of State tell us why senior attendance centres are not appropriate?

Photo of Mr Brynmor John Mr Brynmor John , Pontypridd

I advise the hon. Gentleman to read the advisory council report for more detail. The sort of regime that is successful for young people does not have an effect at the senior range. What is appropriate for juniors would be wholly inappropriate for seniors.