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Motion made, and Question proposed,That no person not being a member of the Committee shall be present during any of the proceedings of the Committee unless required by the Committee to be present for the purposes of their inquiry:—[The Prime Minister.]

Amendment proposed, to leave out from 'That' to end of the Question and add instead thereof, the Committee shall conduct its proceedings in public:".—[Mr. Skinner.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 35, Noes 256.

Division No. 357.]AYES[10.01 p.m.
Canavan, DennisLestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough)Sedgemore, Brian
Clemitson, IvorLewis, Arthur (Newham N)Skinner, Dennis
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly)Litterick, TomThomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen)McDonald, Dr OonaghThomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Evans, John (Newton)Maynard, Miss JoanTierney, Sydney
Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend)Mikardo, IanWelsh, Andrew
Hatton, FrankOgden, EricWigley, Dafydd
Heffer, Eric S.Parry, RobertWise, Mrs Audrey
Hooley, FrankPenthailgon, DavidWoof, Robert
Hughes, Roy (Newport)Price, C. (Lewisham W)
Kerr, RussellReid, GeorgeTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Lamond, JamesRichardson, Miss JoMr. J. W. Rooker and
Latham, Arthur (Paddington)Roberts, Gwllym (Cannock)Mr. John Lee.
NOES
Anderson, DonaldBuck, AntonyCorrie, John
Archer, PeterBudgen, NickCox, Thomas (Tooting)
Armstrong, ErnestBulmer, EsmondCryer, Bob
Arnold, TomButler, Adam (Bosworth)Cunningham, G. (Islington S)
Ashton, JoeCallaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE)Dalyell, Tam
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne)Campbell, IanDavies, Ifor (Gower)
Baker, KennethCarlisle, MarkDeakins, Eric
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich)Carmichael, NeilDean, Joseph (Leeds West)
Bates, AlfCartwright, JohnDean, Paul (N Somerset)
Beith, A. J.Chalker, Mrs Lyndade Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham)Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton)Dell, Rt Hon Edmund
Benyon, W.Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Dodsworth, Geoffrey
Berry, Hon AnthonyCockcroft, JohnDoig, Peter
Biffen, JohnCocks, Rt Hon MichaelDormand, J. D.
Biggs-Davison, JohnCohen, StanleyDouglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Boscawen, Hon RobertColeman, DonaldDrayson, Burnaby
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown)Concannon, J. D.Duffy, A. E. P.
Bray, Dr JeremyConlan, BernardEdwards, Nicholas (Pembroke)
Brocklebank-Fowler, C.Cooke, Robert (Bristol W)Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun)
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)Cope, JohnEllis, Tom (Wrexham)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Corbett, RobinEmery, Peter
English, MichaelLoveridge, JohnScott-Hopkins, James
Faulds, AndrewLuard, EvanShaw, Arnold (Ilford South)
Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N)Lyons, Edward (Bradford W)Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Fletcher-Cooke, CharlesMcAdden, Sir StephenSheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne)
Fookes, Miss JanetMcCartney, HughShelton, William (Streatham)
Ford, BenMcElhone, FrankShersby, Michael
Fox, MarcusMacfarlane, NellShore, Rt Hon Peter
Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd)MacFarquhar, RoderickSilkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford)
Freud, ClementMacGregor, JohnSilkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Fry, PeterMcGuire, Michael (Ince)Stlverman, Julius
Gardiner, George (Reigate)Maclennan, RobertSkeet, T. H. H.
Gardner, Edward (S Fylde)McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury)Small, William
Ginsburg, DavidMallalieu, J. P. W.Smith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Golding, JohnMarshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)Speed, Keith
Goodhew, VictorMather, CarolSpence, John
Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)Mawby, RaySpicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry)Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinSpicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Gray, HamishMayhew, PatrickSpriggs, Leslie
Grieve, PercyMendelson, JohnStallard, A. W.
Grimond, Rt Hon J.Meyer, Sir AnthonyStanbrook, Ivor
Grist, IanMillan, Rt Hon BruceStanley, John
Grylls, MichaelMiller, Hal (Bromsgrove)Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Hall, Sir JohnMiller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)Stewart, Donald (Western Isles)
Hamilton, James (Bothwell)Miscampbell, NormanStewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)Molyneaux, JamesStoddart, David
Hattersley, Rt Hon RoyMontgomery, FergusStradling Thomas, J.
Havers, Sir MichaelMoore, John (Croydon C)Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Hayhoe, BarneyMore, Jasper (Ludlow)Tebbit, Norman
Heseltine, MichaelMorgan, GeraintTemple-Morris, Peter
Holland, PhilipMorris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Thatcher Rt Hon Margaret
Hooson EmlynMorris, Charles R. (Openshaw)Thompson, George
Horam, JohnMorris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon)
Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King
Howell, David (Guildford)Neave, AireyTomlinson, John
Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham,Sm H)Nelson, AnthonyTorney, Tom
Howells, Geraint (Cardigan)Neubert MichaelUrwin, T. W.
Huckfield, LesNewton, TonyVaughan, Dr Gerard
Hughes, Rt Hon c. (Anglesey)Oakes GordonViggers, Peter
Hunt, John (Bromley)Onslow, CranleyWainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Hunter, AdamOrme, Rt Hon StanleyWakeham, John
Hutchison, Michael ClarkOwen, Rt Hon Dr DavidWalder, David (Clitheroe)
Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)Paisley, Rev IanWalker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
James, DavidPalmer, ArthurWalker, Terry (Kingswood)
Janner, GrevillePark, GeorgeWalker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&Wdf'd)Parker, JohnWall, Patrick
Jessel, TobyParkinson, CecilWard, Michael
John, BrynmorPavitt, LaurieWatkins, David
Jones, Alec (Rhondda)Perry, ErnestWatkinson, John
Jones, Barry (East Flint)Peyton, Rt Hon JohnWatt, Hamish
Judd, FrankPowell, Rt Hon J. EnochWeatherill, Bernard
Kaufman, GeraldRadice, GilesWells, John
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs ElaineRees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)White, Frank R. (Bury)
King, Evelyn (South Dorset)Rees-Davies, W. R.White, James (Pollock)
Knight, Mrs JillRenton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts)Whitlock, William
Knox, DavidRidley, Hon NicholasWiggin, Jerry
Lamborn, HarryRoberts, Albert (Normanton)Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Lamont, NormanRoberts, (Michael (Cardiff NW)Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Lawrence, IvanRoberts, Wyn (Conway)Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Lawson, NigelRoderick, CaerwynWilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Le Marchant, SpencerRodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton)Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Lester, Jim (Beeston)Roper, JohnWoodall, Alec
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire)TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Lipton, MarcusRowlands, TedMr. Joseph Harper and
Lloyd, IanRyman, JohnMr. Ted Graham.
Lomas, Kenneth

Question accordingly negatived.

Photo of Mr George Thomas Mr George Thomas , Cardiff West

Before I put the next Question, I should like to say to the House that I accepted the last amendment with the hon. Member for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner) standing in the Aisle. I want the House to know that in future I shall not accept any motions or amendments proposed unless hon. Members are standing in their places.

Main Question put and agreed to.

Ordered,That no person not being a member of the Committee shall be present during any of the proceedings of the Committee unless required by the Committee to be present for the purposes of their inquiry.

Motion made, and Question put,'That no witness summoned to appear before the Committee shall claim Crown Privilege as a justification for refusing to answer questions asked by the Committee:'.—[Mr. Maxwell-Hyslop.]

The House divided: Ayes 45. Noes 143.

Division No. 358.]AYES10.13 p.m.
Allaun, FrankLamond, JamesSedgemore, Brian
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N)Latham, Arthur (Paddington)Skinner, Dennis
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)Lawrence, IvanThomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Canavan, DennisLee, JohnThomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton)Litterick, TomThompson, George
Clemitson, IvorMcDonald, Dr OonaghTierney, Sydney
Drayson, BurnabyMaynard, Miss JoanWainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly)Meyer, Sir AnthonyWatt, Hamish
Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen)Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove)Welsh, Andrew
Evans, John (Newton)Paisley, Rev IanWigley, Dafydd
Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend)Penhaligon, DavidWise, Mrs Audrey
Hatton, FrankReid, GeorgeWoof, Robert
Heffer, Eric S.Richardson, Miss Jo
Hughes, Roy (Newport)Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Jessel, TobyRooker, J. W.Mr. Arthur Lewis and
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs ElaineRoss, Stephen (Isle of Wight)Mr. Robin Maxwell-Hyslop
Kerr, Russell
NOES
Anderson, DonaldHooson, EmlynParker, John
Archer, PeterHoram, JohnParry, Robert
Armstrong, ErnestHowell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham,Sm H)Pavitt, Laurie
Ashton, JoeHowells, Geraint (Cardigan)Perry, Ernest
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich)Huckfield, LesPrice, C. (Lewisham W)
Bates, AlfHughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)Radice, Giles
Beith, A. J.Hunter, AdamRees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Bray, Dr JeremyHutchison, Michael ClarkRoberts, Albert (Normanton)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)Robinson, Geoffrey
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE)Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)Roderick, Caerwyn
Campbell, IanJames, DavidRodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton)
Carlisle, MarkJanner, GrevilleRoper, John
Cartwright, JohnJohn, BrynmorRowlands, Ted
Cocks, Rt Hon MichaelJones, Alec (Rhondda)Ryman, John
Cohen, StanleyJones, Barry (East Flint)Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South)
Coleman, DonaldJudd, FrankSheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne)
Concannon, J. D.Kaufman, GeraldShore, Rt Hon Peter
Conlan, BernardLamborn, HarrySilkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford)
Corbett, RobinLester, Jim (Beeston)Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Cox, Thomas (Tooting)Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Silverman, Julius
Cryer, BobLewis, Ron (Carlisle)Smith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Cunningham, G. (Islington S)Lipton, MarcusSpriggs, Leslie
Dalyell, TarnLomas, KennethStallard, A. W.
Davies, Ifor (Gower)Luard, EvanSteel, David (Roxburgh)
Deakins, EricMcCartney, HughStewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)McElhone, FrankSummerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir GeoffreyMacFarquhar, RoderickThorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon)
Dell, Rt Hon EdmundMcGuire, Michael (Ince)Tomlinson, John
Doig, PeterMaclennan, RobertTorney, Tom
Dormand, J. D.Mallalieu, J. P. W.Urwin, T. W.
Duffy, A. E. P.Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Ellis, Tom (Wrexham)Mawby, RayWalker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
English, MichaelMikardo, IanWalker, Terry (Kingswood)
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare)Millan, Rt Hon BruceWard, Michael
Faulds, AndrewMiller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)Watkins, David
Ford, BenMiscampbell, NormanWatkinson, John
Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd)Molloy, WilliamWhite, Frank R. (Bury)
Freud, ClementMorgan, GeraintWhite, James (Pollock)
Ginsburg, DavidMorris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Whitlock, William
Golding, JohnMorris, Charles R, (Openshaw)Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Graham, TedMurray, Rt Hon Ronald KingWilliams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Gray, HamishNeubert, MichaelWilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Grimond, Rt Hon J.Oakes, GordonWilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Hamilton, James (Sothwell)Ogden, EricWoodall, Alec
Harper, JosephOrme, Rt Hon Stanley
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)Owen, Rt Hon Dr DavidTELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Hattersley, Rt Hon RoyPalmer, ArthurMr. John Ellis and
Hooley, FrankPark, GeorgeMr. David Stoddart.

Question accordingly negatived.

Motion made, and Question put,'That the Committee shall at their discretion sit in public if they consider that at any stage of the inquiry the requirements of justice

or of the public interest requires them to do so notwithstanding any of the foregoing:'.— [Mr. David Steel.]

The House divided: Ayes 63. Noes 219.

Division No. 359.]AYES[10.23 p.m.
Abse, LeoBean, R. E.Canavan, Dennis
Allaun, FrankBidwell, SydneyClemitson, Ivor
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N)Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)Corbett, Robin
Cunningham, G. (Islington S)Litterick, TomSpearing, Nigel
English, MichaelMcDonald, Dr OonaghSteel, David (Roxburgh)
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly)McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury)Stewart, Donald (Western Isles)
Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen)Mallalieu, J. P. W.Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare)Maynard, Miss JoanThomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Evans, John (Newton)Mikardo, IanThompson, George
Garrell, W. E. (Wallsend)Ogden, EricTierney, Sydney
Grimond, Rt Hon J.Paisley, Rev IanWainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Hatton, FrankParry, RobertWatt, Hamish
Heffer, Eric S.Pavitt, LaurieWelsh, Andrew
Hooley, FrankPenhaligon, DavidWhitlock, William
Hooson, EmlynReid, GeorgeWigley, Dafydd
Howells, Geraint (Cardigan)Richardson, Miss JoWilley, Rt Hon Frederick
Hughes, Roy (Newport)Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)Wise, Mrs Audrey
Hunt, John (Bromley)Robinson, GeoffreyWoof, Robert
Kerr, RussellRooker, J. W.
Lamond, JamesSedgemore, BrianTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Latham, Arthur (Paddington)Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South)Mr. A. J. Beith and
Lee, JohnSkinner, DennisMr. Stephen Ross.
Lewis, Arthur (Newham N)
NOES
Anderson, DonaldFry, PeterMayhew, Patrick
Archer, PeterGardner, Edward (S Fylde)Mendelson, John
Armstrong, ErnestGinsburg, DavidMillan, Rt Hon Bruce
Arnold, TomGolding, JohnMiller, Hal (Bromsgrove)
Ashton, JoeGoodhew, VictorMiller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne)Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)Miscampbell, Norman
Baker, KennethGower, Sir Raymond (Barry)Molyneaux, James
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich)Gray, HamishMoore, John (Croydon C)
Bates, AlfGrieve, PercyMore, Jasper (Ludlow)
Bennell, Dr Reginald (Fareham)Grist, IanMorgan, Geraint
Benyon, W.Grylls, MichaelMorris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Berry, Hon AnthonyHall, Sir JohnMorris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Bitten, JohnHamilton, James (Bothwell)Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Biggs-Davison, JohnHarper, JosephMurray, Rt Hon Ronald King
Boscawen, Hon RobertHarrison, Walter (Wakefield)Neave, Airey
Bray, Dr JeremyHattersley, Rt Hon RoyNelson, Anthony
Brocklebank-Fowler, C.Havers, Sir MichaelNeubert, Michael
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)Hayhoe, BarneyOakes, Gordon
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Holland, PhilipOnslow, Cranley
Buck, AntonyHoram, JohnOrme, Rt Hon Stanley
Budgen, NickHowell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham,Sm H)Owen, Rt Hon Dr David
Bulmer, EsmondHuckfield, LesPage, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)
Butler, Adam (Bosworth)Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)Palmer, Arthur
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE)Hunter, AdamPark, George
Campbell, IanHutchison, Michael ClarkParker, John
Carlisle, MarkIrvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)Perry, Ernest
Cartwright, JohnJackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)Peyton, Rt Hon John
Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton)James, DavidPowell, Rt Hon J. Enoch
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Janner, GrevilleRadice, Giles
Cockcrott, JohnJenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'df'd)Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Cocks, Rt Hon MichaelJessel, TobyRees-Davies, W. R.
Cohen, StanleyJohn, BrynmorRenton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts)
Coleman, DonaldJones, Alec (Rhondda)Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Concannon, J. D.Jones, Barry (East Flint)Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Conlan, BernardJudd, FrankRoberta, Wyn (Conway)
Cooke, Robert (Bristol W)Kaufman, GeraldRoderick, Caerwyn
Cope, JohnKellett-Bowman, Mrs ElaineRodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton)
Corrie, JohnKing, Evelyn (South Dorset)Roper, John
Cox, Thomas (Tooting)Knox, DavidRost, Peter (SE Derbyshire)
Cryer, BobLamborn, HarryRowlands, Ted
Dalyell, TarnLamont, NormanRyman, John
Davies, Ifor (Gower)Lawrence, IvanScott-Hopkins, James
Deakins, EricLawson, NigelShaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)Le Marchant, SpencerSheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne)
Dean, Paul (N Somerset)Lester, Jim (Beeston)Shersby, Michael
de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir GeoffreyLewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Dell, Rt Hon EdmundLewis, Ron (Carlisle)Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford)
Dodsworth, GeoffreyLipton, MarcusSilkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Doig, PeterLloyd, IanSilverman, Julius
Dormand, J. D.Lomas, KennethSkeet, T. H. H.
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesLoveridge, JohnSmith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Drayson, BurnabyLuard, EvanSpeed, Keith
Duffy, A. E. P.Lyons, Edward (Bradford W)Spence, John
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke)McCartney, HughSpicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Ellis, Tom (Wrexham)McElhone, FrankSpicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Emery, PeterMacfarlane, NellSpriggs, Leslie
Faulds, AndrewMacFarquhar, RoderickStallard, A. W.
Fisher, Sir NigelMacGregor, JohnStanbrook, Ivor
Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N)McGuire, Michael (Ince)Stanley, John
Fletcher-Cooke, CharlesMaclennan, RobertStewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Fookes, Miss JanetMarshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)Stoddart, David
Ford, BenMather, CarolStradling Thomas, J.
Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd)Mawby, RaySummerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Freud, ClementMaxwell-Hyslop, RobinTebbit, Norman
Temple-Morris, PeterWalker, Terry (Kingswood)Wiggin, Jerry
Thatcher, Rt Hon MargaretWalker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir DerekWilliams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Tomlinson, JohnWall, PatrickWilliams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Torney, TomWard, MichaelWilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Urwin, T. W.Watkins, DavidWilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Vaughan, Dr GerardWatkinson, JohnWoodall, Alec
Viggers, PeterWeatherill, Bernard
Wakeham, JohnWells, JohnTELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Walder, David (Clitheroe)White, Frank R. (Bury)Mr. John Ellis and
Walker, Harold (Doncaster)White, James (Pollok)Mr. Ted Graham.
Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Question accordingly negatived.
Ordered,
That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House until the end of this Parliament.—[The Prime Minister.]