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TRADE UNION AND LABOUR RELATIONS (AMENDMENT) (No. 2)

– in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 8th June 1976.

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4.0 p.m.

Photo of Mr Stephen Hastings Mr Stephen Hastings , Mid Bedfordshire

I beg to move, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the law relating to trade union and labour relations; and for connected purposes. It has been said that Ten-Minute Bills are rather like trying to organise a "bring and buy" on the Wembley pitch just after the Cup Final. I understand this. Yet I am fortified because I believe that I am dealing with something which is fundamental to the evolution and indeed to the very existence of the House of Commons—the individual assailed by arbitrary power. The story of this place over the centuries has been that of a long struggle to limit and balance the power of man over man. If we do not stand for this we stand for nothing in this place.

Many may conclude, because I am concerned about the trade unions, and the closed shop, that the minds of hon. Members opposite will be closed to my argument before I even begin. I do not believe that, because I do not believe that hon. Members opposite, any more than my hon. Friends, can be insensitive to the sort of unkindness, waste and injustice which I have to describe. I therefore ask sincerely, for their consideration of what I have to say. I confess that although I detest the concept of the closed shop myself, I recognise that in some circumstances it may serve as a convenient arrangement for both sides in industry. I recognise also that among those who stand against it there may be from time to time, people who seek advantage without contribution. However reprehensible that may be, my case is that this can in no sense excuse, or mitigate, the sort of injustice, even evil, which can be seen to result from the closed shop that this evil has been immeasurably extended under the Act that we have just passed in this House.

Take the absurdity of religious grounds for objection. These are undefined and in the words of the Secretary of State himself are "undefinable". He said: … religious beliefs … are based on precepts of faith which can be tested only by those who possess that faith".—[Official Report, 11th July 1974; Vol. 876, c. 1701.] Amen to that. He added later: I do not know where we can find the definition of religious belief".—[Official Report, 1st October 1975, Vol. 897, c. 1390.] Well, I will tell him—ask British Rail! Mr. Cecil Lloyd appeared before their "inquisition" in Euston Square recently. This comprised representatives of ASLEF, NUR TSSA and one from management. He pleaded religious grounds—Second Corinthians verse 6 to be precise. He gets the sack on Saturday. So does Bob Harris of Gloucester. So does Mr. Cave and his son, of Nottingham. Mr. Cave has done 26 years service with British Rail. He belongs to the Christadelphians Sect, which counsels abstinence from all worldly associations, including trade unions; but because they do not specifically proscribe their members from joining a trade union freedom of conscience has been denied them, too. They got the sack. What are these people to do when they come in front of the tribunal. I suppose they must invoke the presence of God.

I wish to turn to a different kind of case—that of two ladies, Mrs. Peters and Mrs. Tarrant, who have been employed by a small firm of printers, Philip and Tacey, of Andover, Mrs. Peters since 1972 and her daughter, Mrs. Tarrant, since 1971. This case has been of particular concern to my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Winchester (Rear-Admiral Morgan-Giles) and happily it, at least, has attracted some publicity thanks to the vigilance of Mr. Bernard Levin. Mrs. Tarrant joined the union SOGAT but her mother, Mrs. Peters, refused, although I think she might have changed her mind had it not been for what followed. SOGAT subsequently declared her work "black" by a vote of 35 to 16 and she was obliged to sit around doing nothing. Her daughter, Mrs. Tarrant, then resigned from the union and both were subsequently subjected to a sustained campaign of badgering, vilification and bullying which lasted, according to the tribunal, from February 1973 to January 1974. No union officials were involved, but no union officials put a stop to it either. After this things were said to have improved according to the tribunal and a letter described as an "olive branch" was sent to these ladies, but they had had enough. Of course they got the sack. The last page of the tribunal report stated—[Interruption.]

Photo of Mr George Thomas Mr George Thomas , Cardiff West

Order. First, it is almost impossible for me to know the interchanges below the Gangway and, secondly, a Ten-Minute Bill is usually heard in silence.

Photo of Mr Stephen Hastings Mr Stephen Hastings , Mid Bedfordshire

I should be grateful for injury time, Mr. Speaker. The report said: We have no doubt that some, if not the majority, of Mrs. Peters' and Mrs. Tarrant's fellow workers were beastly to them and treated them with inhumanity But they concluded that from early 1974 the atmosphere became more relaxed and the union was prepared to let bygones be bygones". Therefore: Neither applicant had reasonable grounds for objection". I quote from Hansard:It is better that these matters should be settled by peaceful persuasion. That is the cause for which we stand and this Bill is part of our remedy."—[Official Report, 7th May 1974; Vol. 873, c. 245.] Those are the words of that apostle of liberty the present Leader of the House. I invite him to go down to Andover and to explain what he meant to Mrs. Peters and Mrs. Tarrant.

I have a letter from Mr. A. M. Potter of Keston in Kent who describes how a union called the Society of Lithographic Artists, Designers and Engravers, directly encouraged by this Act, is trying to threaten their way into advertising art, writing and photography. He writes: During all my 35 years in my trade I have never known anyone express any desire for union involvement in our affairs. Nor has there been any complaint concerning wages or conditions that has not been satisfactorily dealt with by ourselves. Our workers and employers enjoy great mutual respect. On one occasion recently when officials of this SLADE visited the studio, "blacking" notices were put up. When the employers asked whether the union had consulted the employees the answer was "We do not care what your staff says, we shall get them."

Let us consider the matter of grounds a little more widely for a moment. Mr. Rex Frost, of British Transport Hotels, when told recently "Join or go" wrote to the Manager (Train Catering Department): I am now required to sign an application on which I undertake to abide loyally by the rules of the Association and to use my best endeavours to promote its objects and interests. It would be quite wrong for me to use my best endeavours to promote any objects or interests which I believe to be harmful to my country, my employers, my colleagues and myself. To retain my job by signing a statement which I know to be false would be as dishonest as obtaining goods by signing a cheque which I knew to be worthless. Is that unreasonable? Incidentally I am informed that Mr. Frost has not had a reply to that letter.

Mr. Roger Webster, 18 years' service with British Rail, was sacked last week. He gave this, among others, as his reason for objection: Talk of benefits negotiated by the unions is nonsense. The total process of all union negotiations causes us all to be impoverished. When there is no money in the national kitty we cannot have more on the pay slip without it being borrowed money; without it having less purchasing power; without it bleeding our social structure; without it causing unemployment; without it debilitating our industry. Does the Chancellor of the Exchequer disagree with those remarks?

Anyway, by what process have these heroes in British Rail decided that their membership wants the closed shop at all? Mr. Willsteed is about to leave the shipping and international services division at Southern House. The hat was passed round on his behalf by his colleagues, and they are trade unionists. The appeal was headed "Farewell with honour". It went on: In the eyes of many of us his stand for freedom and personal conviction is a most worthy one and you may care to contribute even a token amount towards a gesture on his departure"'. All but three of his colleagues did.

What are these unfortunate people to do unless this Act is changed? I will tell hon. Members one thing. Mr. Webster whom I have already mentioned—they have picked on the wrong man in Mr. Webster—has established with some difficulty what many of us know—that this law has no parallel in West Europe, where the closed shop is either very rare or expressly forbidden by law. He is taking his case and that of 20 of his colleagues to the European Court of Human Rights where there is a very good chance that it will be seen to transgress either Article 9 or Article 11 or both. The British Government attested to the Treaty in 1951, but what a state of affairs when an Englishman has to turn to an international court for justice in his own country!

The sufferers in all these cases—and I have done my best to check this—share three qualities. They are not troublemakers of shirkers, they are loyal to their employers and they are hard-working and competent people. These qualities avail them little, it seems, in trade union-dominated Socialist Britain. Happily, however, through the Press and through organisations such as the National Association for Freedom, some of these cases are coming to light, but what worries me are those which do not come to light at all. How many are averted because people are afraid—afraid of bullying and intimidation, afraid of deprivation, afraid of the consequences of unemployment, afraid of what they regard as the inevitability of union power, against which there is no redress or possibility of appeal?

Again and again this Government claim that only they can get on with the unions. Well, this is the price of it, this toll of injustice and even persecution under the law. People tolerate this sort of thing from one motive only, and that is fear. So long as such a situation persists, this is not truly a free country and most certainly the House of Commons is failing in its duty.

I say to the hon. Members opposite that just for once they should put aside Socialist precepts and resist the pressures of the mighty outside this place. Let us all, for once, listen to the lesson of history and the warnings which these events so clearly sound for us, and—before oppression becomes a habit—let us amend this abominable law.

4.12 p.m.

Photo of Mr Ioan Evans Mr Ioan Evans , Aberdare

I rise to oppose leave being given to the hon. Member for Mid-Bedfordshire (Mr. Hastings).

This Government have a good record of improving industrial relations and repairing the damage of earlier years. The progress can be outlined by an extract from the Department of Employment Gazette for May which shows that. From January to April 1975, 2,106,000 days were lost through industrial disputes, but that in the corresponding period this year, that figure was down to 1,188,000. The first election of 1974, in February, was fought at a time of conflict and confrontation with the trade union movement. This Government have replaced that policy and we now have a policy of conciliation and co-operation.

The Government presented the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Amendment) Bill in November 1975 to reverse the Opposition amendments made, against the Government's wishes, to the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act of 1974. That Act was the first step towards the repair of industrial relations by repealing the Conservatives' notorious Industrial Relations Act of 1971. The two particular cases to which the hon. Member for Mid-Bedfordshire referred arose under the previous Government's Act.

The second step in the Government's programme for industrial relations was the Employment Protection Act, which built on the foundations laid down by the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act by extending workers' rights and strengthening collective bargaining. It provided also for guaranteed payments for those on short time, financial protection for employees whose employers became insolvent, longer notice of termination of employment and advance consultation with trade unions about planned redundancies.

The rights of workers have advanced a great deal since 1926. I was at a meeting in the Valleys of South Wales on Saturday with miners who remembered that period when miners earned 19s. 6d. and worked a six-day week. In that period, the workers bad virtually no rights. Now the trade union movement has become far stronger. The problem in Britain today is not that the unions are too strong but that they are not strong enough. We in this House should appeal to every worker, by hand or brain, to join his appropriate trade union.

If the liberty of the people of this country has been increased and enhanced, it is because of the efforts of the trade union movement. One has only to read the history of the Todpuddle Martyrs and others to see that.

Closed shop agreements between employers and unions have been legal again since September 1974, when the Industrial Relations Act was repealed. Does anyone wish to return to the time when that Act was on the statute book? Even the Conservative leadership dissociate themselves from that.

The hon. Member for Mid-Bedfordshire referred to the dismissal of Mrs. Peters and Mrs. Tarrant, which arose under the legislation of the previous Government. An independent industrial tribunal said that their dismissal was not unfair because they were considered to have no good reason for declining to join the closed shop.

Hon. Members:

Sit down.

Photo of Mr George Thomas Mr George Thomas , Cardiff West

Order. In theory, both hon. Members are being heard in silence.

Photo of Mr Ioan Evans Mr Ioan Evans , Aberdare

The main argument for resisting the Bill is that labour relations have been exhaustively discussed here and elsewhere for a number of years. I pay tribute to the Leader of the House. When Secretary of State for Employment he introduced the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act of 1974, the Employment Protection Act of 1975 and the amending Act of 1976.

The issues raised today have been raised extensively and considered during the passage of the Industrial Relations Act and before. Nothing new arises on the Bill. What is needed now is for employers, management, employees and unions to get together to get us out of our present difficulties. There has been a tremdendous response by trade union leaders. Jack Jones, High Scanlon and others are giving a lead. It is a pity that the Conservative Party could not have given the same lead over the pound.

I hope that the House will throw out the Bill and that we shall make greater progress towards improving industrial relations.

Question put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 13 (Motions for leave to bring in Bills and nomination of Select Committees at commencement of Public Business):

The House divided: Ayes 226 Noes 287.

Division No. 166.]AYES[4.20 p.m.
Adley, RobertGrist, IanOppenheim, Mrs Sally
Arnold, TomGrylls, MichaelOsborn, John
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne)Hall, Sir JohnPage, John (Harrow West)
Awdry, DanielHamilton, Michael (Salisbury)Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)
Banks, RobertHampson, Dr KeithPaisley, Rev Ian
Beith, A. J.Hannam, JohnPardoe, John
Bell, RonaldHarrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye)Parkinson, Cecil
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham)Hastings, StephenPercival, Ian
Benyon, W.Havers, Sir MichaelPeyton, Rt Hon John
Berry, Hon AnthonyHawkins, PaulPrice, David (Eastleigh)
Biffen, JohnHayhoe, BarneyPrior, Rt Hon James
Biggs-Davison, JohnHicks, RobertPym, Rt Hon Francis
Blaker, PeterHiggins, Terence L.Raison, Timothy
Boscawen, Hon RobertHooson, EmlynRathbone, Tim
Bottomley, PeterHordern, PeterRawlinson, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown)Howe, Rt Hon Sir GeoffreyRees, Peter (Dover & Deal)
Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent)Howell, David (Guildford)Rees-Davies, W. R.
Braine, Sir BernardHowell, Ralph (North Norfolk)Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts)
Brittan, LeonHowells, Geraint (Cardigan)Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Brocklebank-Fowler, C.Hunt, David (Wirral)Ridley, Hon Nicholas
Brotherton, MichaelHunt, JohnRifkind, Malcoim
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)Hurd, DouglasRippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey
Bryan, Sir PaulHutchison, Michael ClarkRoberts, Wyn (Conway)
Buchanan-Smith, AlickIrving, Charles (Cheltenham)Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Buck, AntonyJames, DavidRoss, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Burden, F. A.Jenkin, Rt Hn P. (Wanst'd & W'df'd)Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Butler, Adam (Bosworth)Jessel, TobyRoyle, Sir Anthony
Chalker, Mrs LyndaJohnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead)Sainsbury, Tim
Churchill, W. S.Jones, Arthur (Daventry)St. John-Stevas, Norman
Clark, William (Croydon S)Jopling, MichaelScott-Hopkins, James
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Kaberry, Sir DonaldShaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Clegg, WalterKellett-Bowman, Mrs ElaineShaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Cockcroft, JohnKershaw, AnthonyShelton, William (Streatham)
Cooke, Robert (Bristol W)Kimball, MarcusShersby, Michael
Cope, JohnKing, Evelyn (South Dorset)Silvester, Fred
Cordle, John H.King, Tom (Bridgwater)Sims, Roger
Cormack, PatrickKnight, Mrs JillSinclair, Sir George
Corrie, JohnLane, DavidSkeet, T. H. H.
Costain, A. P.Langford-Holt, Sir JohnSmith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Crouch, DavidLatham, Michael (Melton)Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford)Lawrence, IvanSpence, John
Dean, Paul (N Somerset)Lawson, NigelSpicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Dodsworth, GeoffreyLester, Jim (Beeston)Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesLloyd, IanStainton, Keith
Drayson, BurnabyLoveridge, JohnStanley, John
du Cann, Rt Hon EdwardLuce, RichardSteel, David (Roxburgh)
Durant, TonyMcAdden, Sir StephenSteen, Anthony (Wavertree)
Eden, Rt Hon Sir JohnMcCrindle, RobertStewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke)Macfarlane, NeilStokes, John
Eyre, ReginaldMacGregor, JohnStorehouse, Rt Hon John
Fairbairn, NicholasMacmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham)Stradling, Thomas J.
Fairgrieve, RussellMcNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest)Taylor, R. (Croydon NW)
Farr, JohnMarshall, Michael (Arundel)Tebbit, Norman
Fell, AnthonyMarten, NeilThatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Finsberg, GeoffreyMates, MichaelThorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon)
Fisher, Sir NigelMather, CarolTownsend, Cyril D.
Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N)Maude, AngusTugendhat, Christopher
Fookes, Miss JanetMaudling, Rt Hon Reginaldvan Straubenzee, W. R.
Forman, NigelMawby, RayVaughan, Dr Gerard
Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd)Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinWainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St)Mayhew, PatrickWakeham, John
Freud, ClementMiller, Hal (Bromsgrove)Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Fry, PeterMitchell, David (Basingstoke)Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Gardiner, George (Reigate)Molyneaux, JamesWalters, Dennis
Gardner, Edward (S Fylde)Monro, HectorWarren, Kenneth
Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham)Montgomery, FergusWeatherill, Bernard
Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife)More, Jasper (Ludlow)Wells, John
Goodhart, PhilipMorgan, GeraintWhitelaw, Rt Hon William
Goodhew, VictorMorgan-Giles, Rear-AdmiralWiggin, Jerry
Goodlad, AlastairMorris, Michael (Northampton S)Winterton, Nicholas
Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester)Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry)Mudd, DavidYounger, Hon George
Grant, Anthony (Harrow C)Neave, Airey
Gray, HamishNeubert, MichaelTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Grieve, PercyNewton, Tony
Griffiths, EldonNormanton, TomMr. Geoffrey Pattie and Mr. Nick Budgen.
Grimond, Rt Hon J.Nott, John
NOES
Allaun, FrankFitch, Alan (Wigan)McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C)
Anderson, DonaldFitt, Gerard (Belfast W)McNamara, Kevin
Archer, PeterFlannery, MartinMadden, Max
Armstrong, ErnestFletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston)Magee, Bryan
Ashley, JackFletcher, Ted (Darlington)Mahon, Simon
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N)Foot, Rt Hon MichaelMallalieu, J. P. W.
Atkinson, NormanForrester, JohnMarks, Kenneth
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin)Marquand, David
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich)Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd)Marshall, Dr. Edmund (Goole)
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood)Freeson, ReginaldMason, Rt Hon Roy
Bates, AlfGarrett, John (Norwich S)Maynard, Miss Joan
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony WedgwoodGarrett, W. E. (Wallsend)Meacher, Michael
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N)George, BruceMellish, Rt Hon Robert
Bidwell, SydneyGilbert, Dr JohnMendelson, John
Bishop, E. S.Ginsburg, DavidMikardo, Ian
Blenkinsop, ArthurGolding, JohnMillan,. Bruce
Boardman, H.Gould, BryanMiller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Booth, Rt Hon AlbertGourlay, HarryMiller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N)
Boothroyd, Miss BettyGraham, TedMitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen)
Bottomley, Rt Hon ArthurGrant, George (Morpeth)Molloy, William
Boyden, James (Bish Auck)Grant, John (Islington C)Moonman, Eric
Bradiey, TomGrocott, BruceMorris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Bray, Or JeremyHamilton, James (Bothwell)Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W)Hardy, PeterMoyle, Roland
Brown, Ronald (Hackney S)Harper, JosephMulley, Rt Hon Frederick
Buchan, NormanHarrison, Walter (Wakefield)Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King
Buchanan, RichardHart, Rt Hon JudithNewens, Stanley
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green)Hattersley, Rt Hon RoyNoble, Mike
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE)Hatton, FrankOakes, Gordon
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)Hayman, Mrs HeleneOgden, Eric
Campbell, IanHealey, Rt Hon DenisO'Halloran, Michael
Canavan, DennisHeffer, Eric S.Orbach, Maurice
Cant, R. B.Hooley, FrankOrme, Rt Hon Stanley
Carmichael, NeilHoram, JohnOvenden, John
Carter, RayHowell, Rt Hon DenisOwen, Dr David
Carter-Jones, LewisHoyle, Doug (Nelson)Padley, Walter
Cartwright, JohnHuckfield, LesPalmer, Arthur
Castle, Rt Hon BarbaraHughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)Park, George
Cocks, Michael (Bristol S)Hughes, Mark (Durham)Parry, Robert
Cohen, StanleyHughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)Pavitt, Laurie
Coleman, DonaldHughes, Roy (Newport)Peart, Rt Hon Fred
Colquhoun. Ms MaureenHunter, AdamPendry, Tom
Concannon, J. D.Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)Perry, Ernest
Conlan, BernardIrving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford)Prescott, John
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C)Jackson, Colin (Brighouse)Price, C. (Lewisham W)
Corbett, RobinJackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)Price, William (Rugby)
Cox, Thomas (Tooting)Janner, GrevilleRadice, Giles
Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill)Jay, Rt Hon DouglasRees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Cronin, JohnJeger, Mrs. LenaRichardson, Miss Jo
Crosland, Rt Hon AnthonyJenkins, Hugh (Putney)Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Cryer, BobJohn, BrynmorRoberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Cunningham, G. (Islington S)Johnson, James (Hull West)Robertson, John (Paisley)
Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh)Johnson, Walter (Derby S)Robinson, Geoffrey
Dalyell, TamJones, Barry (East Flint)Roderick, Caerwyn
Davidson, ArthurJones, Dan (Burnley)Rodgers, William (Stockton)
Davies, Bryan (Enfield N)Judd, FrankRooker, J. W.
Davies, Denzil (Llanelli)Kaufman, GeraldRoper, John
Davies, Ifor (Gower)Kelley, RichardRoss, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock)
Davis, Clinton (Hackney C)Kerr, RussellRowlands, Ted
Deakins, EricKilroy-Silk, RobertSedgemore, Brian
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)Kinnock, NeilSelby, Harry
de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir GeoffreyLambie, DavidShaw, Arnold (Ilford South)
Dempsey, JamesLamborn, HarrySheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne)
Dormand, J. D.Lamond, JamesShore, Rt Hon Peter
Douglas-Mann, BruceLatham, Arthur (Paddington)Short, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C)
Dunn, James A.Leadbitter, TedShort, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE)
Dunnett, JackLee, JohnSilkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Dunwoody, Mrs GwynethLestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough)Sillars, James
Eadle, AlexLewis, Arthur (Newham N)Silverman, Julius
Edge, GeoffLewis, Ron (Carlisle)Skinner, Dennis
Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE)Lipton, MarcusSmall, William
Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun)Litterick, TomSmith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Ellis, Tom (Wrexham)Loyden, EddieSnape, Peter
English, MichaelLuard, EvanSpearing, Nigel
Ennals, DavidLyons, Edward (Bradford W)Stallard, A. W.
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly)Mabon, Dr. J. DicksonStewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham)
Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen)McCartney, HughStoddart, David
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare)McElhone, FrankStott, Roger
Evans, John (Newton)MacFarquhar, RoderickStrang, Gavin
Ewing, Harry (Stirling)McGuire, Michael (Ince)Strauss, Rt Hn G. R.
Faulds, AndrewMackenzie, GregorSummerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Fernyhough, Rt Hon E.Maclennan, RobertSwain, Thomas
Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)Walker, Terry (Kingswood)Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E)Ward, MichaelWilliams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)Watkins, DavidWilliams, Sir Thomas
Thorne, Stan (Preston South)Watkinson, JohnWilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Tierney, SydneyWeetch, KenWilson, Rt Hon H. (Huyton)
Tinn, JamesWeitzman, DavidWilson, William (Coventry SE)
Tomlinson, JohnWellbeloved, JamesWise, Mrs Audrey
Tomney, FrankWhite, Frank R. (Bury)Woodall, Alec
Torney, TomWhite, James (Pollok)Woof, Robert
Tuck, RaphaelWhitehead, PhillipYoung, David (Bolton E)
Urwin, T. W.Whitlock, William
Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.Wigley, DafyddTELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)Willey, Rt Hon FrederickMr. Ivor Clemitson and Mr. George Rodgers.
Walker, Harold (Doncaster)Williams, Alan (Swansea W)

Question accordingly negatived.