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Power to Obtain Information

Orders of the Day — SCOTTISH DEVELOPMENT AGENCY (No. 2) BILL – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 21st October 1975.

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Photo of Mr Teddy Taylor Mr Teddy Taylor , Glasgow Cathcart 12:00 am, 21st October 1975

I beg to move Amendment No. 14, in page 12, line 5, at end insert— '(1A) Any person or body required to provide information under subsection (1) above shall be entitled to obtain compensation from the Agency for expenses reasonably incurred in providing and obtaining the said information'. Clause 11 gives the Agency power to send a notice to people or companies who occupy premises or obtains rent from them to give information about their own interest and the name and address of anyone else known to them as having an interest in the premises, whether as superior, owner, heritable creditor, lessee or otherwise. Failure to do this can result in a fine of £100, and a knowing mis-statement can bring a fine of £400 or two years' imprisonment.

If any hon. Member received a notice of this sort, the first thing he would do would be to see a lawyer. Expense might be involved, and I am suggesting in the amendment that reasonable legal costs involved in getting this information should

be paid by the Agency. This would be a protection for the public and would prevent the Agency from asking for too much unnecessary information.

Photo of Mr Bruce Millan Mr Bruce Millan , Glasgow Craigton

The provision in Clause 11 is a common form for any enactment which confers powers of compulsory acquisition. [Interruption.] I do not know where the right hon. Member for Yeovil (Mr. Peyton) has come from. If he wants to make an intelligent or intelligible contribution, perhaps he would care to stand up. We have done quite well without his presence during the rest of the day.

All that is required under this clause is that the person concerned should state his interest in the land—whether he is an occupier or a landlord—and he is not obliged to carry out expensive surveys to find out any information. There is no reason why he should be entitled to obtain compensation for what would be basically writing a letter to the Agency telling it of his interest.

Photo of Mr Teddy Taylor Mr Teddy Taylor , Glasgow Cathcart

That reply is quite unsatisfactory. It is not just a question of a person's own interest. He must give details of other people known to him. We are going too far in forcing people to give information and making them liable to heavy penalties if they do not. We can stop this by voting for the amendment.

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 177, Noes 224.

Division No. 349.]AYES[10.40 p.m.
Aitken, JonathanCostain, A. P.Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D.
Arnold, TomCrouch, DavidGardiner, George (Reigate)
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne)Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford)Gardner, Edward (S Fylde)
Banks, RobertDean, Paul (N Somerset)Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife)
Berry, Hon AnthonyDodsworth, GeoffreyGlyn, Dr Alan
Bitten, JohnDouglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesGodber, Rt Hon Joseph
Body, RichardDrayson, BurnabyGoodhart, Philip
Boscawen, Hon Robertdu Cann, Rt Hon EdwardGoodhew, Victor
Bottomley, PeterDurant, TonyGoodlad, Alastair
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown)Eden, Rt Hon Sir JohnGorst, John
Bovson, Dr Rhodes (Brent)Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke)Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)
Brittan, LeonElliott, Sir WilliamGray, Hamish
Brotherton, MichaelEmery, PeterGrieve, Percy
Buchanan-Smith, AlickEyre, ReginaldGrimond, Rt Hon J.
Bulmer, EsmondFairbairn, NicholasGrist, Ian
Carlisle, MarkFairgrieve, RussellHall, Sir John
Churchill, W. S.Farr, JohnHamilton, Michael (Salisbury)
Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton)Finsberg, GeoffreyHampson, Dr Keith
Clark, William (Croydon S)Fisher, Sir NigelHannam, John
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Fletcher-Cooke, CharlesHastings, Stephen
Cockcroft, JohnFookes, Miss JanetHavers, Sir Michael
Cooks Robert (Bristol W)Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd)Hawkins, Paul
Cope JohnFox, MarcusHayhoe, Barney
Cordle, John H.Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St)Heseltine, Michael
Hicks, RobertMeyer, Sir AnthonyScott, Nicholas
Higgins, Terence L.Mills, PeterShaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Hordern, PeterMiscampbell, NormanShelton, William (Streatham)
Howe, Rt Hon Sir GeoffreyMoate, RogerShepherd, Colin
Hunt, JohnMontgomery, FergusShersby, Michael
Hutchison, Michael ClarkMoore, John (Croydon C)Sims, Roger
Irving, Charles (Cheltenham)More, Jasper (Ludlow)Sinclair, Sir George
James, DavidMorgan, GeraintSkeet, T. H. H.
Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd & W'df'd)Morgan-Giles, Rear-AdmiralSmith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Jessel, TobyMorris, Michael (Northampton S)Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead)Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester)Speed, Keith
Jopling, MichaelMudd, DavidSproat, Iain
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir KeithNeave, AireyStanbrook, Ivor
Kilfedder, JamesNelson, AnthonyStewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Kimball, MarcusNeubert, MichaelStokes, John
King, Tom (Bridgwater)Newton, TonyStradling Thomas, J.
Knight, Mrs. JillNott, JohnTaylor. Teddy (Cathcart)
Knox, DavidOppenheim, Mrs SallyTemple-Morris, Peter
Lamont, NormanPage, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Latham, Michael (Melton)Parkinson, CecilThorpe, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Lawrence, IvanPattie, GeoffreyTownsend, Cyril D.
Lawson, NigelPenhaligon, DavidTrotter, Neville
Lester Jim (Beeston)Percival, Ianvan Straubenzee, W. R.
Loveridge, JohnPeyton, Rt Hon JohnVaughan, Dr Gerard
Macfarlane, NeilPink, R. BonnerViggers, Peter
MacGregor, JohnPrice, David (Eastleigh)Wakeham, John
Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham)Pym, Rt Hon FrancisWalder, David (Clitheroe)
McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury)Raison, TimothyWells, John
McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest)Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal)Wiggin, Jerry
Madel, DavidRenton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts)Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Marshall, Michael (Arundel)Rifkind MalcolmYoung, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Marten, NeilRippon, Rt Hon GeoffreyYounger, Hon George
Mates, MichaelRoberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Mather, CarolRossi, Hugh (Hornsey)TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Mawby, RaySainsbury, TimMr. Adam Butler and
Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinSt. John-Stevas, NormanMr. Fred Silvester
Mayhew, Patrick
NOES
Allaun, FrankDean, Joseph (Leeds West)Hunter, Adam
Anderson, DonaldDelargy, HughIrving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford)
Archer, PeterDempsey, JamesJackson, Colin (Brighouse)
Armstrong. ErnestDoig, PeterJackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N)Dormand, J. D.Janner, Greville
Atkinson, NormanDouglas-Mann, BruceJay, Rt Hon Douglas
Bain. Mrs MargaretDunnett, JackJeger, Mrs Lena
Bean, R. E.Dunwoody, Mrs GwynethJenkins, Hugh (Putney)
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N)Eadie, AlexJohn, Brynmor
Bidwell, SydneyEdge, GeoffJohnson, Walter (Derby S)
Bishop, E. S.English, MichaelJones, Alec (Rhondda)
Blenkinsop, ArthurEnnals, DavidJones, Barry (East Flint)
Boardman, H.Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen)Jones, Dan (Burnley)
Booth. AlbertEvans, Ioan (Aberdare)Kaufman, Gerald
Bray, Dr JeremyEwing, Harry (Stirling)Kelley, Richard
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Fernyhough, Rt Hon E.Kilroy-Silk, Robert
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W)Fitch, Alan (Wigan)Kinnock, Neil
Buchanan, RichardFitt, Gerard (Belfast W)Lambie, David
Campbell, IanFlannery, MartinLamborn, Harry
Canavan, DennisFletcher, Ted (Darlington)Lamond, James
Cant, R. B.Forrester, JohnLatham, Arthur (Paddington)
Carmichael, NeilFowler, Gerald (The Wrekin)Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough)
Carter, RayFraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd)Lipton, Marcus
Carter-Jones, LewisFreeson, ReginaldLitterick, Tom
Cartwright, JohnGarrett, W. E. (Wallsend)Lomas, Kenneth
Castle, Rt Hon BarbaraGeorge, BruceLoyden, Eddie
Clemitson, IvorGilbert, Dr JohnLuard, Evan
Cocks, Michael (Bristol S)Ginsburg, DavidLyons, Edward (Bradford W)
Cohen, StanleyGould, BryanMcCartney, Hugh
Coleman, DonaldGourlay, HarryMacCormick, Iain
Conlan, BernardGraham, TedMcElhone, Frank
Coot, Robin F. (Edin C)Grant, George (Morpeth)MacFarquhar, Roderick
Corbett, RobinGrocott, BruceMcGuire, Michael (Ince)
Cox, Thomas (Tooting)Harper, JosephMaclennan, Robert
Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill)Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C)
Crawford, DouglasHart, Rt Hon JudithMcNamara, Kevin
Crawshaw, RichardHattersley, Rt Hon RoyMadden, Max
Crosland, Rt Hon AnthonyHatton, FrankMagee, Bryan
Cryer, BobHayman, Mrs HelenaMallalieu, J. P. W.
Cunningham, G. (Islington S)Henderson, DouglasMarquand, David
Davidson, ArthurHoram, JohnMarshall, Dr. Edmund (Goole)
Davies, Bryan (Enfield N)Howell, Denis (B'ham, Sm H)Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Davies, Denzil (Llanelli)Hoyle, Doug (Nelson)Maynard, Miss Joan
Davis, Clinton (Hackney C)Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)Meacher, Michael
Deakins, EricHughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N)Mellish, Rt Hon Robert
Mikardo, IanRoberts, Gwilym (Cannock)Thompson, George
Millan, BruceRobertson, John (Paisley)Tierney, Sydney
Miller, Or M. S. (E. Kilbride)Roderick, CaerwynTinn, James
Miller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N)Rodgers, George (Chorley)Tomlinson, John
Molloy, WilliamRodgers, William (Stockton)Torney, Tom
Moonman, EricRooker, J. W.Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Rose, Paul B.Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock)Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd)
Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)Sandelson, NevilleWalker, Terry (Kingswood)
Moyle, RolandSedgemore, BrianWatkins, David
Mulley, Rt Hon FrederickShaw, Arnold (Ilford South)Watkinson, John
Murray, Rt Hon Ronald KingSheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne)Watt, Hamish
Newens, StanleyShort, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C)Weetch, Ken
Noble, MikeShort, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE)Wellbeloved, James
Oakes, GordonSilkin, Rt Hon John (Wolv NE)Welsh, Andrew
Ogden, EricSillars, JamesWhite, James (Pollok)
O'Malley, Rt Hon BrianSilverman, JuliusWhitlock, William
Orbach, MauriceSkinner, DennisWigley, Dafydd
Ovenden, JohnSmall, WilliamWilley, Rt Hon Frederick
Padley, WalterSnape, PeterWilliams, Alan (Swansea W)
Park, GeorgeSpearing, NigelWilliams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Parker, JohnSpriggs, LeslieWilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Parry, RobertStallard, A. W.Wilson. Gordon (Dundee E)
Pavitt, LaurieStoddart, DavidWise, Mrs. Audrey
Peart, Rt Hon FredStott, RogerWool, Robert
Perry, ErnestStrang, GavinWrigglesworth, Ian
Phipps, Dr ColinStrauss, Rt Hon G. R.Young, David (Bolton E)
Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Reid, GeorgeTaylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Richardson, Miss JoThomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)Mr. James Hamilton and
Roberts, Albert (Normanton)Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)Mr. James A. Dunn

Question accordingly negatived.