Computation of rebates and allowances

New Clause No. 6 – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 24th April 1972.

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Amendments made: No. 68, in page 115, line 22, leave out 'child undergoing training by any person'and insert 'person undergoing training'.

No. 69, in line 24, leave out 'the child' and insert 'he'.

No. 70, in line 28, leave out' "husband' ".

No. 71, in line 30, leave out 'and subject to paragraphs 4 and 5 below'.

No. 72, in line 35, leave out sub-paragraph (2).

No. 73, in page 116, line 14, leave out from 'tenant' to end of line 20 and insert 'and the authority have grounds for considering that in the special circumstances of the case it would be reasonable to make their calculations under this Schedule by reference to the income of that other person and not of the tenant, they may treat that other person as the tenant, and make such payments of rebate or allowance (if any) as ought to be made on that basis.(2) Where an authority exercise the power conferred on them by sub-paragraph (1) above, the tenant shall be treated as a non-dependant for the purposes of this Schedule, but neither the spouse nor a dependent child of the person who is treated as the tenant shall be treated as a non-dependant for those purposes.5A. In the following provisions of this Schedule 'tenant' includes a person treated as

Division No. 146.]AYES[10.12 p.m.
Adley, RobertBrown, Sir Edward (Bath)d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. James
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash)Bruce-Gardyne, J.Dean, Paul
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead)Bryan, PaulDeedes, Rt. Hn. W. F.
Amery, Rt. Hn. JulianBuchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M)Digby, Simon Wingfield
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth)Buck, AntonyDixon, Piers
Astor, JohnBullus, Sir EricDouglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec
Atkins, HumphreyBurden, F. A.Drayson, G. B.
Awdry, DanielButler, Adam (Bosworth)du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone)Campbell, Rt. Hn. G. (Moray&Nairn)Dykes, Hugh
Balniel, Rt. Hn. LordCarlisle, MarkEdwards, Nicholas (Pembroke)
Batsford, BrianCarr, Rt. Hn. RobertElliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)
Beamish, Col. Sir TuftonChapman, SydneyElliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, N.)
Bell, RonaldChataway, Rt. Hn. ChristopherEmery, Peter
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport)Churchill, W. S.Eyre, Reginald
Benyon, W.Clark, William (Surrey, E.)Farr, John
Berry, Hn. AnthonyClarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Fenner, Mrs. Peggy
Bitten, JohnClegg, WalterFidler, Michael
Biggs-Davison, JohnCooke, Robert
Blaker, PeterCoombs, DerekFinsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead)
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.)Cooper, A. E.Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton)
Body, RichardCorfield, Rt. Hn. FrederickFletcher-Cooke, Charles
Boscawen, RobertCormack, PatrickFookes, Miss Janet
Bossom, Sir CliveCostain, A. P.Fowler, Norman
Bowden, AndrewCritchley, JulianFox, Marcus
Braine, Sir BernardCrouch, DavidFry, Peter
Bray, RonaldCrowder, F. P.Galbraith, Hn. T. G.
Brinton, Sir TattonDavies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford)Gibson-Watt, David
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopherd'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir HenryGilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)
a tenant under paragraph 4 or 5 above or paragraph 1 of Schedule 4 below'.

No. 74, in line 27, leave out '£9·50' and insert '£10·50'.

No. 75, in line 28, leave out '£13·50' and insert '£14·75'.

No. 76, in line 30, leave out '£13·50' and insert '£14·75'.

No. 77, in line 31, leave out '£2·50' and insert '£2·75'.

No. 78, in line 34, leave out '£10·75' and insert '£11·75'.

No. 79, in line 35, leave out '£14·75' and insert '£16·00'.

No. 80, in line 37, leave out '£14·75' and insert '£16·00'.

No. 81, in line 38, leave out '£15·50' and insert '£16.75'.

No. 82, in page 117, line 5, leave out 'or for use of furniture or for services'.

No. 83, in line 9, at end insert— (cc) any sums payable by virtue of regulations made under section 81 of the Education Act 1944 (financial assistance for education);.—[Mr. Eyre.]

Amendment proposed:

No. 86, in page 119, line 17, leave out paragraph (b) and insert— (b) for each person in receipt of supplementary benefit…£0.70;.—[Mr. Eyre.]

Question put, That the Amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 272, Noes 259.

Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.)Longden, Sir GilbertRost, Peter
Godber, Rt. Hn. J. BLoveridge, JohnRoyle, Anthony
Goodhart, PhilipLuce, R. N.Russell, Sir Ronald
Goodhew, VictorMcAdden, Sir StephenSt. John-Stevas, Norman
Gower, RaymondMacArthur, IanSandys, Rt. Hn. D.
Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.)McCrindle, R. AScott, Nicholas
Green, AlanMcLaren, MartinSharples, Richard
Grieve, PercyMaclean, Sir FitzroyShaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds)Macmillan, Rt. Hn. Maurice (Farnham)Shelton, William (Clapham)
Grylls, MichaelMcNair-Wilson, MichaelSimeons, Charles
Gummer, J. SelwynMcNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest)Sinclair, Sir George
Gurden, HaroldMaddan, MartinSkeet, T. H. H.
Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley)Madel, DavidSmith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Hall, John (Wycombe)Marples, Rt. Hn ErnesSoref, Harold
Hall-Davis, A. G. F.Marten, NellSpeed, Keith
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)Mather, CarolSpence, John
Hannam, John (Exeter)Maude, AngusSproat, Iain
Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye)Maudling, Rt. Hn. ReginaldStainton, Keith
Haselhurst, AlanMawby, RayStanbrook, Ivor
Hastings, StephenMaxwell-Hyslop, R. JStewart-Smith, Geoffrey (Belper)
Havers, MichaelMeyer, Sir AnthonyStodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.)
Hawkins, PaulMills, Peter (Torrington)Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M
Hay, JohnMiscampbell, NormanStokes, John
Hayhoe, BarneyMitchell, Lt.-Col. C. (Aberdeenshire. W)Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
Heseltine, MichaelMoate, RogerTaylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Hicks, RobertMoney, ErnleTaylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
Higgins, Terence LMonks, Mrs. ConnieTebbit, Norman
Hiley, JosephMonro, HectorTemple, John M.
Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.)Montgomery, FergusThatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret
Hill, James (Southampton, Test)More, JasperThomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Holland, PhilipMorgan-Giles, Rear-AdmThomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Holt, Miss MaryMorrison, CharlesThompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Hordern, PeterMudd, DavidTilney, John
Hornby, RichardMurton, OscarTrafford, Dr. Anthony
Hornsby-Smith. Rt. Hn. Dame PatriciaNabarro, Sir GeralrTrew, Peter
Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate)Neave, AireyTugendhat, Christopher
Howell, David (Guildford)Normanton, TomTurton, Rt. Hn. Sir Robin
Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.)Nott, Johnvan Straubenzee, W. R
Hunt, JohnOnslow, CranleyVaughan, Dr. Gerard
Iremonger, T. L.Oppenheim, Mrs. SallyVickers, Dame Joan
Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye)Osborn, JohnWaddington, David
James, DavidOwen, Idris (Stockport, N.)Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford)Page, Graham (Crosby)Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
Jennings, J. C. (Burton)Page, John (Harrow, W.)Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Jessel, TobyParkinson, CecilWalters, Dennis
Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)Percival, IanWard, Dame Irene
Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.)Pike, Miss MervynWarren, Kenneth
Jopling, MichaelPink, R. BonnerWeatherill, Bernard
Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir KeithPowell, Rt. Hn. J. EnochWells, John (Maidstone)
Kaberry, Sir DonaldPrice, David (Eastleigh)White, Roger (Gravesend)
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs. ElainePrior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L.Wiggin, Jerry
Kershaw, AnthonyProudfoot, WilfredWilkinson, John
Kimball, MarcusPym, Rt. Hn. FrancisWinterton, Nicholas
King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)Quennell, Miss J. MWood, Rt. Hn. Richard
King, Tom (Bridgwater)Raison, TimothyWoodhouse, Hn. Christopher
Kinsey, J. R.Ramsden, Rt. Hn. JamesWoodnutt, Mark
Kitson, TimothyRedmond, RobertWorsley, Marcus
Knight, Mrs. JillReed, Laurance (Bolton, E.)Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Knox, DavidRees, Peter (Dover)Younger, Hn. George
Lane, DavidRees-Davies, W. R.
Langford-Holt, Sir JohnRenton, Rt. Hn. Sir DavidTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Legge-Bourke, Sir HarryRhys Williams, Sir BrandonMr. Tim Fortescue and
Le Marchant, SpencerRidsdale, Julian Mr. Hamish Gray.
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.)
Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
NOES
Abse, LeoBidwell, SydneyCant, R. B.
Albu, AustenBishop, E. S.Carmichael, Neil
Allaun, Frank (Saltord, E.)Blenkinsop, ArthurCarter, Ray (Birmingh'm, Northfield)
Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis)Boardman, H. (Leigh)Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles)
Armstrong, ErnestBooth, AlbertCastle, Rt. Hn. Barbara
Ashley, JackBottomley, Rt. Hn. ArthurClark, David (Colne Valley)
Ashton, JoeBradley, TomCocks, Michael (Bristol, S.)
Atkinson, NormanBroughton, Sir AlfredCohen, Stanley
Bagier, Gordon A. 1.Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.)Coleman, Donald
Barnes, MichaelBrown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan)Concannon, J. D.
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich)Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury)Conlan, Bernard
Barnett, Joel (Heywood and Royton)Buchan, NormanCorbet, Mrs. Freda
Baxter, WilliamBuchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn)Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.)
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony WedgwoodButler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green)Cronin, John
Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton)Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.)Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony
Crossman, Rt. Hn. RichardJanner, GrevillePardoe, John
Cunningham, G. (Islington, S.W.)Jay, Rt. Hn. DouglasParry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange)
Cunningham, Dr. J. A. (Whitehaven)Jeger, Mrs. LenaPavitt, Laurie
Dalyell, TamJenkins, Hugh (Putney)Pendry, Tom
Davidson, ArthurJenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford)Pentland, Norman
Davies, Denzil (Llanelly)John, BrynmorPerry, Ernest G.
Davies, Ifor (Gower)Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg.
Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.)Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.)Prescott, John
Davis, Terry (Bromsgrove)Jones, Dan (Burnley)Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Deakins, EricJones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham, S.)Price, William (Rugby)
de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir GeoffreyJones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen)Probert, Arthur
Delargy, H. J.Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.)Rankin, John
Dell, Rt. Hn. EdmundKaufman, GeraldReed, D. (Sedgefield)
Dempsey, JamesKelley, RichardRhodes, Geoffrey
Doig, PeterKinnock, NellRichard, Ivor
Dormand, J. D.Lambie, DavidRoberts, Albert (Normanton)
Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.)Lamond, JamesRobertson, John (Paisley)
Douglas-Mann, BruceLatham, ArthurRoderick, Caerwyn E. (Br'c'n&R'dnor)
Driberg, TomLeadbitter, TedRoper, John
Duffy, A. E. P.Lee, Rt. Hn. FrederickRose, Paul B.
Dunnett, JackLeonard, DickRoss, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Eadie, AlexLestor, Miss JoanRowlands, Edward
Edelman, MauriceLever, Rt. Hn. HaroldSandelson, Neville
Edwards, Robert (Bilston)Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.)Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Edwards, William (Merioneth)Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Ellis, TomLipton, MarcusShort, Pt. Hn. Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
English, MichaelLomas, KennethShort, Mrs. Renée (W'hamplon, N. E.)
Evans, FredLonghlin, CharlesSilkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Ewing, HenryLyon, Alexander W. (York)Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Faulds, AndrewMabon, Dr. J. DicksonSillars, James
Fisher, Mrs. Doris (B'ham, Ladywood)McBride, NeilSilverman, Julius
Fitch, Alan (Wigan)McCartney, HughSkinner, Dennis
Fletcher, Raymond (llkeston)McElhone, FrankSmall, William
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)Mackenzie, GregorSmith, John (Lanarkshire, N.)
Foley, MauriceMackie, JohnSpearing, Nigel
Foot, MichaelMackintosh, John P.Spriggs, Leslie
Ford, BenMcMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.)Stallard, A. W.
Forrester, JohnMcNamara, J. KevinSteel, David
Fraser, John (Norwood)Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.)Stewart, Donald (Western Isles)
Freeson, ReginaldMarks, KennethStoddart, David (Swindon)
Galpern, Sir MyerMarquand, DavidStrauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Garrett, W. E.Marsden, F.Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Gilbert, Dr. JohnMarshall, Dr. EdmundSwain, Thomas
Ginsburg, David (Dewsbury)Mason, Rt. Hn. RoyThomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Golding, JohnMayhew, ChristopherThomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C.Meacher, MichaelThorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy
Gourlay, HarryMellish, Rt. Hn. RobertTinn, James
Grant, George (Morpeth)Mendelson, JohnTomney, Frank
Grant. John D. (Islington, E.)Mikardo, IanTorney, Tom
Griffiths. Eddie (Brightside)Millan, BruceTuck, Raphael
Miller, Dr. M. S.Urwin, T. W.
Grimond, Rt. Hn. J.Milne, EdwardVarley, Eric G.
Hamilton, James (Bothwell)Mitchell, R. C. (S'hampton, Itchen)Wainwright, Edwin
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.)Molloy, WilliamWalden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints)
Hamling, WilliamMorgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)Wallace, George
Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill)Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Watkins, David
Hardy, PeterMorris, Charles R. (Openshaw)Weitzman, David
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon)Wellbeloved, James
Hart, Rt. Hn. JudithMoyle, RolandWells, William (Walsall, N.)
Hattersley, RoyMulley, Rt. Hn. FrederickWhite, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Healey, Rt. Hn. DenisMurray, Ronald KingWhitehead, Phillip
Heffer, Eric S.Oakes, GordonWhitlock, William
Hooson, EmlynOgden, EricWilley, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Horam, JohnO'Halloran, MichaelWilliams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Houghton, Rt. Hn. DouglasO'Malley, BrianWilliams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Howell, Denis (Small Heath)Oram, BertWilliams, W. T. (Warrington)
Huckfied, LeslieOrbach, MauriceWilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)Orme, StanleyWilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Hughes, Mark (Durham)Oswald, ThomasWoof, Robert
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.)Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton)
Hughes, Roy (Newport)Paget, R. T.TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Hunter, AdamPalmer, ArthurMr. James A. Dunn and
Irvine, Rt. Hn. SirArthur (Edge Hill)Pannell. Rt. Hn. Charles Mr. Joseph Harper.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Amendments made:

No. 87 in page 119, line 21, leave out '£1·00' and insert '£0·70'.

No. 88 in line 23, leave out '£1·50' and insert '£0·70'.

No. 89 in page 120, line 1, leave out paragraph 15 and insert:

Transitional rebate or allowance

15.—(1) An authority may grant to any person a rebate of such an amount commencing at such time and continuing for such period and subject to such conditions as the Secretary of State may by general or particular direction provide if—

  1. (a) part of the rent under his tenancy was met by a rebate for the rental period immediately preceding that in which their rebate scheme comes into operation; and
  2. (b) the condition mentioned in sub-paragraph (3) below is satisfied in his case.

(2) An authority may grant to any person an allowance of such amount commencing at such time and continuing for such period and subject to such conditions as the Secretary of State may by general or particular direction provide if—

  1. (a) part of the rent under his tenancy was met for the rental period immediately preceding that in which their allowance scheme comes into operation by an allowance granted by virtue of a scheme under a local Act for the payment of such allowances; and
  2. (b) the condition mentioned in sub-paragraph (3) below is satisfied in his case.

(3) The condition that must be satisfied in the case of any person before he is granted a rebate or allowance by virtue of this paragraph is that the rent remaining to be met by him (after taking account of any rebate or allowance granted otherwise than by virtue of this paragraph) was less during the rental period mentioned in paragraph (a) of sub-paragraph (1) or, as the case may be, paragraph (a) of sub-paragraph (2) above than during the first rental period after the relevant scheme under this Act came into operation.

(4) Where an authority grant a rebate or allowance under this paragraph to a person to whom they grant a rebate or allowance apart from this paragraph, the amount granted under this paragraph shall be additional to the amount of that other rebate or allowance.

No. 91 in line 42, leave out from 'to' to 'to' in line 43 and insert: 'consider whether they ought in all the circumstances to treat the rent as reduced by an appropriate amount, and if in their opinion they ought to treat it as reduced,'.

No. 93 in page 121, line 10, leave out from 'exceeds' to 'but' in line 11 and insert: 'the minimum weekly rent mentioned in sub-paragraph (1) of paragraph 9 of this Schedule'.

No. 94 in line 13, leave out 'and 13' and insert '13, 14 and 16'.

No. 95 in line 28, after 'disregarding' insert: 'to the extent mentioned in paragraph 8(3) of this Schedule'.—[Mr. Eyre.]