HOUSE OF COMMONS (REDISTRI BUTION OF SEATS) (No. 2) BILL

Orders of the Day — HOUSE OF COMMONS (REDISTRIBUTION OF SEATS) (No. 2) BILL – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 14 October 1969.

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Lords Amendments further considered.

Lords Amendment No. 3: In page 1, line 9, leave out from "1969" to end of line 2 on page 3 and insert— (1A) Subject to subsection (1) above, the Secretary of State, on or before 31st March, 1970, shall, in respect of each report of a Boundary Commission submitted under section 2(1) of the Redistribution of Seats Act in the year 1969, lay before Parliament the draft

Order in Council required by section 2(5) of that Act.

(1B) On compliance with subsection (1A) above in relation to any report of a Boundary Commission the Secretary of State shall be relieved of any penalties imposed on him in respect of his breach, in respect of that report of the duty imposed by section 2(5) of that Act to lay a draft Order in Council before Parliament at the same time as he laid the report, and to do so as soon as may be after the report was submitted to him.

(1C) Where subsection (1B) above has effect in relation to a report, any proceedings pending against the Secretary of State in the Supreme Court of Judicature, the Court of Session, the High Court in Northern Ireland or the House of Lords shall, so far as they relate to breaches of duty by the Secetary of State in respect of that report, be treated as stayed.

(1D) Nothing in this section shall affect any order for costs made against the Secretary of State at any previous time, or the power to make any order for costs at any future time."

Motion made, and Question put, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said Amendment.—[Mr. Callaghan]:—

The House divided: Ayes 273, Noes 229.

Division No. 348.]AYES[10.10 p.m.
Abse, LeoBoyden, JamesDavies, Rt. Hn. Harold (Leek)
Albu, AustenBradley, TomDavies, Ifor (Gower)
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.)Bray, Dr. JeremyDelargy, H. J.
Alldritt, WalterBrown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan)Dell, Edmund
Allen, ScholefieldBrown, Bob(N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.)Dempsey, James
Anderson, DonaldBuchan, NormanDewar, Donald
Ashley, JackBuchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn)Diamond, Rt. Hn. John
Ashton, Joe (Bassetlaw)Butler, Herbert (Hackney, C.)Dobson, Ray
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.)Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green)Doig, Peter
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham)Callaghan, Rt. Hn. JamesDriberg, Tom
Bacon, Rt. Hn. AliceCant, R. B.Dunn, James A.
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Carmichael, NeilDunnett, Jack
Barnett, JoelCarter-Jones, LewisDunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter)
Baxter, WilliamCastle, Rt. Hn. BarbaraDunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e)
Bence, CyrilColeman, DonaldEadie, Alex
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony WedgwoodConcannon, J. D.Edelman, Maurice
Bennett, James (G'gow, Bridgeton)Conlan, BernardEdwards, Robert (Bilston)
Bidwell, SydneyCorbet, Mrs. FredaEdwards, William (Merioneth)
Binns, JohnCrawshaw, RichardEnglish, Michael
Bishop, E. S.Cronin, JohnEnnals, David
Blackburn, F.Crossman, Rt. Hn. RichardEnsor, David
Blenkinsop, ArthurDalyell, TamEvans, Fred (Caerphilly)
Boardman, H. (Leigh)Davidson, Arthur (Accrington)Evans, Ioan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley)
Booth, AlbertDavies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.)Faulds, Andrew
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. ArthurDavies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford)Fernyhough, E.
Fitch, Alan (Wigan)Lomas, KennethPerry, George H. (Nottingham, S.)
Fitt, Gerard (Belfast, W.)Loughlin, CharlesPrentice, Rt. Hn. R. E.
Fletcher, Rt.Hn.SirEric(Islington,E.)Luard, EvanPrice, Thomas (Westhoughton)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)Lyon, Alexander W. (York)Price, William (Rugby)
Foley, MauriceLyons, Edward (Bradford, E.)Randall, Harry
Foot, Rt. Hn. Sir Dingle (Ipswich)Mabon, Dr. J. DicksonRankin, John
Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale)McBride, NeilRichard, Ivor
Ford, BenMcCann, JohnRoberts, Albert (Normanton)
Forrester, JohnMacColl, JamesRoberts, Rt. Hn, Goronwy
Fowler, GerryMacDermot, NiallRoberts, Gwilym (Bedfordshire, S.)
Fraser, John (Norwood)Macdonald, A. H.Robertson, John (Paisley)
Freeson, ReginaldMcGuire, MichaelRobinson,Rt.Hn.Ketmeth(St.P'c'as)
Galpern, Sir MyerMcKay, Mrs. MargaretRodgers, William (Stockton)
Garrett, W. E.Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen)Roebuck, Roy
Ginsburg, DavidMackie, JohnRogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth)Mackintosh, John P.Rose, Paul
Greenwood, Rt. Hn. AnthonyMaclennan, RobertRoss, Rt. Hn. William
Gregory, ArnoldMacMillan, Malcolm (Western Isles)Rowlands, E.
Grey, Charles (Durham)McNamara, J. KevinShaw, Arnold (Ilford, S.)
Griffiths, David (Rother Valley)MacPherson, MalcolmSheldon, Robert
Griffiths, Will (Exchange)Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.)Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J.Mahon, Simon (Bootle)Short, Mrs. Renée(W'hampton,N.E.)
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.)Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg)Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Hamling, WilliamMallalieu,J.P. W.(Huddersfield,E.)Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Hannan, WilliamManuel, ArchieSilverman, Julius
Harper, JosephMapp, CharlesSkeffington, Arthur
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)Marks, KennethSlater, Joseph
Hattersley, RoyMarquand, DavidSmall, William
Hazell, BertMarsh, Rt. Hn. RichardSnow, Julian
Healey, Rt. Hn. DenisMaxwell, RobertSpriggs, Leslie
Heffer, Eric S.Mayhew, ChristopherSteele, Thomas (Dunbartonshire, W.)
Henig, StanleyMellish, Rt. Hn. RobertStrauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Hilton, W. S.Mendelson, JohnSummerskill, Hn, Dr. Shirley
Hobden, DennisMikardo, IanSwain, Thomas
Hooley, FrankMillan, BruceSymonds, J. B.
Horner, JohnMilne, Edward (Blyth)Taverne, Dick
Houghton, Rt. Hn. DouglasMolloy, WilliamThomas, Rt. Hn, George
Howell, Denis (Small Heath)Moonman, EricThornton, Ernest
Howie, W.Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)Tomney, Frank
Hoy, Rt. Hn. JamesMorris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Tuck, Raphael
Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)Urwin, T. W.
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Morris, John (Aberavon)Varley, Eric G.
Hunter, AdamMoyle, RolandWainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Hynd, JohnMulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Irvine, Sir Arthur (Edge Hill)Murray, AlbertWallace, George
Janner, Sir BarnettNeal, HaroldWatkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor)
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney)Newens, StanWellbeloved, James
Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford)Norwood, ChristopherWells, William (Walsall, N.)
Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)Oakes, GordonWhitaker, Ben
Jones, Dan (Burnley)Ogden, EricWhite, Mrs. Eirene
Jones,Rt.Hri.Sir Elwyn(W.Ham,S.)O'Malley, BrianWhitlock, William
Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham)Oram, Albert E.Wilkins, W. A.
Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West)Orbach, MauriceWilley, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Judd, FrankOrme, StanleyWilliams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Kelley, RichardOswald, ThomasWilliams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch)
Kerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham)Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn)Williams, Clifford, (Abertillery)
Kerr, Russell (Feltham)Owen, Will (Morpeth)Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Padley, WalterWilliams, W. T. (Warrington)
Lawson, GeorgePage, Derek (King's Lynn)Willis, Rt. Hn. George
Leadbitter, TedPalmer, ArthurWilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton)Pannell, Rt. Hn. CharlesWinnick, David
Lee, Rt. Hn. Jennie (Cannock)Park, TrevorWoodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
Lee, John (Reading)Parker, John (Dagenham)Wyatt, Woodrew
Lestor, Miss JoanParkyn, Brian (Bedford)
Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold (Cheetham)Pavitt, LaurenceTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham. N.)Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd)Mr. Ernest Armstrong and Mr. James Hamilton.
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred
Lipton, MarcusPerry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.)
NOES
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash)Bell, RonaldBoyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John
Allason James (Hemel Hempstead)Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gos. & Fhm)Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward
Amery, Rt. Hn, JulianBerry, Hn. AnthonyBraine, Bernard
Astor, JohnBessell, PeterBrewis, John
Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n)Biffen, JohnBrinton, Sir Tatton
Awdry, DanielBiggs-Davison, JohnBromley-Davenport,Lt.-Col. SirWalter
Baker, Kenneth (Acton)Birch, Rt. Hn. NigelBrown, Sir Edward (Bath)
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff)Black, Sir CyrilBruce-Gardyne, J.
Balniel, LordBlaker, PeterBryan, Paul
Barber, Rt. Hn. AnthonyBoardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.)Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M)
Batsford, BrianBody, RichardBuck, Antony (Colchester)
Beamish, Col. Sir TuftonBossom, Sir CliveBullus, Sir Eric
Burden, F. A.Hogg, Rt. Hn. QuintinPercival, Ian
Campbell, B. (Oldham, W.)Holland, PhilipPeyton, John
Campbell, Gordon (Moray & Nairn)Hordern, PeterPink, R. Bonner
Carlisle, MarkHowell, David (Guildford)Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Carr, Rt. Hn. RobertHunt, JohnPrice, David (Eastleigh)
Channon, H. P. G.Hutchison, Michael ClarkPrior, J. M. L.
Chataway, ChristopherIremonger, T. L.Pym, Francis
Chichester-Clark, R.Jennings, J. C. (Burton)Quennell, Miss J. M.
Clark, HenryJohnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James
Clegg, WalterJones, Arthur (Northants, S.)Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter
Cooke, RobertJopling, MichaelRees-Davis, W. R.
Cooper-Key, Sir NeilKaberry, Sir DonaldRenton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
Cordle JohnKerby, Capt. HenryRhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Corfield, F. V.Kimball, MarcusRidley, Hn. Nicholas
Craddock, Sir Beresford (Spelthorne)King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)Ridsdale, Julian
Crouch, DavidKirk, PeterRippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey
Cunningham, Sir KnoxKitson, TimothyRobson Brown, Sir William
Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Dalkeith, Earl ofKnight, Mrs. JillRoyle, Anthony
Dance, JamesLambton, ViscountRussell, Sir Ronald
Davidson, James(Aberdeenshire, W.)Lancaster, Col. C. G.Sandy, Rt. Hn. D.
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir HenryLane, DavidScott, Nicholas
Dean, PaulLawler, WallaceScott-Hopkins, James
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford)Legge-Bourke, Sir HarrySharples, Richard
Dodds-Parker, DouglasLewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Doughty, CharlesLloyd, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey (Sut'nC'dfield)Silvester. Frederick
Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir AlecLloyd, Rt. Hn. Selwyn (Wirral)Sinclair, Sir George
du Cann, Rt. Hn. EdwardLubbock, EricSmith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Eden, Sir JohnMcAdden, Sir StephenSmith, John (London & W'minster)
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)MacArthur, IanSpeed, Keith
Emery, PeterMacleod, Rt. Hn. IainSteel, David (Roxburgh)
Errington, Sir EricMcMaster, StanleyStodart, Anthony
Ewing, Mrs. WinifredMacmillan, Maurice (Farnham)Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M.
Eyre, ReginaldMcNair-Wilson, MichaelSummers, Sir Spencer
Farr, JohnMcNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest)Tapsell, Peter
Fisher, NigelMaddan, MartinTaylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Fletcher-Cooke, CharlesMaginnis, John E.Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart)
Fortescue, TimMarples, Rt. Hn. ErnestTaylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Foster, Sir JohnMarten, NeilTemple, John M.
Fraser, Rt. Hn. Hugh (St' fford & Stone)Maudling, Rt. Hn. ReginaldTilney, John
Galbraith, Hn. T. G.Mawby, RayTurton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Gibson-Watt, DavidMaxwell-Hyslop, R. J.van Straubenzee, W. R.
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Glover, Sir DouglasMills, Stratton (Belfast, N.)Vickers, Dame Joan
Glyn, Sir RichardMiscampbell, NormanWaddington, David
Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B.Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)Walker, Peter (Worcester)
Goodhart, PhilipMonro, HectorWalker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Goodhew, VictorMontgomery, FergusWall, Patrick
Cower, RaymondMorgan, Geraint (Denbigh)Walters, Dennis
Grant, AnthonyMorgan-Giles, Rear-Adm.Ward, Dame Irene
Grant-Ferris, Sir RobertMorrison, Charles (Devizes)Weatherill, Bernard
Gresham Cooke, R.Mott-Radclyffe, Sir CharlesWells, John (Maidstone)
Grieve, PercyMunro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir HughWhitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds)Murton, OscarWiggin, A. W.
Gurden, HaroldNabarro, Sir GeraldWilliams, Donald (Dudley)
Hall-Davis, A. G. F.Neave, AireyWilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Hamilton, Lord (Fermanagh)Noble, Rt. Hn. MichaelWinstanley, Dr. M. P.
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)Nott, JohnWolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.)Onslow, CranleyWood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Harris, Reader (Heston)Orr, Capt. L. P. S.Woodnutt, Mark
Harvie Anderson, MissOrr-Ewing, Sir IanWorsley, Marcus
Hastings, StephenOsborn, John (Hallam)Younger, George
Hawkins, PaulPage, Graham (Crosby)
Hay, JohnPage, John (Harrow, W.)TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir LionelPearson, Sir Frank (Ctitharoe)Mr. R. W. Elliott and Mr. Jasper More.
Higgins, Terence L.Peel, John
Hill, J. E. B.

Photo of Mr James Callaghan Mr James Callaghan The Secretary of State for the Home Department, Member, Labour Party National Executive Committee, Treasurer, Labour Party

I beg to move an Amendment to the Bill, in lieu of the Lords Amendment last disagreed to in page 1. line 9, leave out from '1969' to end of line 2 on page 3 and insert: '; but, unless effect is given under and in accordance with the following provisions of this Act to the report so submitted by a Boundary Commission—(a) subsections (2) to (6) below shall apply for the acceleration of their next general report under section 2(1) of that Act and(b) subject to the provisions of this Act relating to Greater London, no report shall he submitted by them under section 2(3) of that Act before the submission of their next general report.(2) Notwithstanding anything in section 2(1) of the 1958 Act. a Boundary Commission shall proceed forthwith to take into consideration the making of their next general report if Her Majesty by Order in Council so directs, and the report shall be submitted to the Secretary of State within four years after the coming into force of the Order or within such reducedperiod as may be required by the Order; but no recommendation shall be made to Her Majesty to make an Order in Council under this subsection unless a draft of the Order has been laid before Parliament by the Secretary of State and approved by resolution of each House of Parliament.(3) The Secretary of State shall lay before Parliament a draft of an Order in Council under subsection (2) above for any part of the United Kingdom by the end of March, 1972 in any event (unless effect is given as aforesaid to the general report submitted by the Boundary Commission in the year 1969), and shall do so earlier if it appears to him that it would not by reason of the prospect of local government reorganisation be premature; and if the draft is approved by resolution of each House, the Secretary of State shall submit the draft to Her Majesty in Council.(4) If an Order in Council is made under subsection (2) above for the acceleration of a Boundary Commission's next general report, but is not to come into force until after the beginning of April 1972, the Order shall reduce by a period not less than the interval between the beginning of that month and the coming into force of the Order the period of four years within which the Commission's report is to be submitted to the Secretary of State; and the Secretary of State shall not lay before Parliament a draft of an Order in Council of which the coming into force is postponed beyond the beginning of April 1972 unless he is satisfied that the postponement beyond that time is required for reasons connected with local government reorganisation.(5) The Secretary of State shall not lay before Parliament a draft of an Order in Council reducing the period of four years within which a Boundary Commission's report is to be submitted, unless after consultation with the Commission he is satisfied that it will be practicable for them to submit the report within the reduced period.(6) Where a Boundary Commission is to make a report by virtue of an Order in Council under subsection (2) above—(a) no notice need be given by the Commission under section 2(4) of the Redistribution of Seats Act of their intention to consider the making of the report: and

(b) the enumeration date for purposes of Schedule 2 to that Act, instead of being the date on which notice is published under section 2(4), shall be the date on which the Order in Council comes into force.

In the cases provided for by the two next following subsections, effect may be given in accordance with the following subsections to the report submitted by a Boundary Commission under section 2(1) of the Redistribution of Seats Act in the year 1969 and, if effect is so given to it, the provision made by this Act for the acceleration of their text general report and for precluding the submission by them of reports under section 2(3) of that Act shall not apply.

(8) The Secretary of State may at any time before the end of March 1970 lay before Parliament the draft of an Order in Council for giving effect, whether with or without modifications, to the recommendations contained in the report so submitted by the Boundary Commission for Scotland or for Northern Ireland, if it appears to him reasonable so to do notwithstanding any proposals for local government reorganisation in Scotland or Northern Ireland.

(9) Subject to the provisions of this Act relating to Greater London, the Secretary of State shall before the end of March 1972 lay before Parliament the draft of an Order in Council for giving effect, whether with or without modifications, to the recommendations contained in the report so submitted by the Boundary Commission for any part of the United Kingdom (other than a report to which effect has been given by virtue of the last foregoing subsection), if it appears to him that, by reason of the continuing prospect of local government reorganisation, it is not practicable to accelerate in accordance with this Act the next general report of that Commission.

(10) Section 3(2) to (6) of the Redistribution of Seats Act shall apply as if a draft Order in Council laid before Parliament under either of the two foregoing subsections were laid under section 2(5) of that Act'.

Question put, That the Amendment he made:—

The House divided: Ayes 272, Noes 229.

Division No. 349.]AYES[10.21 p.m.
Abse, LeoBinns, JohnCarter-Jones, Lewis
Albu, AustenBishop, E. S.Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.)Blackburn, F.Coleman, Donald
Alldritt, WalterBlenkinsop, ArthurConcannon, J. D.
Allen, ScholefieidBoardman, H. (Leigh)Conlan, Bernard
Anderson, DonaldBooth, AlbertCorbet, Mrs. Freda
Armstrong, ErnestBottomley, Rt. Hn. ArthurCrawshaw, Richard
Ashley, JackBoyden, JamesCronin, John
Ashton, Joe (Bassetlaw)Bradley, TomCrossman, Rt. Hn. Richard
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.)Bray, Dr. JeremyDalyell, Tam
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham)Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan)Davidson, Arthur (Accrington)
Bacon, Rt. Hn. AliceBrown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.)Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.)
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Buchan, NormanDavies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford)
Barnett, JoelBuchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn)Davies, Rt. Hn. Harold (Leek)
Baxter, WilliamButler, Herbert (Hackney, C.)Davies, Ifor (Gower)
Bence, CyrilButler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green)Delargy, H. J.
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony WedgwoodCallaghan, Rt. Hn. JamesDell, Edmund
Bennett, James (G'gow, Bridgeton)Cant, R. B,Dempsey, James
Bidwell, SydneyCarmichael, NeilDewar, Donald
Diamond, Rt. Hn. JohnKerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham)Park, Trevor
Doig, PeterKerr, Russell (Feltham)Parker, John (Dagenham
Driberg, TomLawson, GeorgeParkyn, Brian (Bedford)
Dunn, James A.Leadbitter, TedPavitt, Laurence
Dunnett, JackLee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton)Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd)
Dunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter)Lee, Rt. Hn. Jennie (Cannock)Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred
Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e)Lee, John (Reading)Perry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.)
Eadie, AlexLestor, Miss JoanPerry, George H. (Nottingham, S.)
Edelman, MauriceLever, Rt. Hn. Harold (Cheetham)Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg.
Edwards, William (Merioneth)Lewis, Arthur (W, Ham, N.)Price, Thomas (Westhoughton)
Ellis, JohnLewis, Ron (Carlisle)Price, William (Rugby)
English, MichaelLipton, MarcusRandall, Harry
Ennals, DavidLomas, KennethRankin, John
Ensor, DavidLoughlin, CharlesRichard, Ivor
Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.)Luard, EvanRoberts, Albert (Normanton)
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly)Lyon, Alexander W. (York)Roberts, Rt. Hn. Goronwy
Evans, Ioan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley)Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.)Roberts, Gwilym (Bedfordshire, S.)
Faulds, AndrewMabon, Dr. J. DicksonRobertson, John (Paisley)
Fernyhough, E.McBride, NeilRobinson, Rt. Hn. Kenneth(St.P'c'as)
Fitch, Alan (Wigan)McCann, JohnRodgers, William (Stockton)
Fitt, Gerard (Belfast, W.)MacColl, JamesRoebuck, Roy
Fletcher,Rt.Hn.SirEric(Islington,E.)MacDermot, NiallRogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)Macdonald, A. H.Rose, Paul
Foley, MauriceMcGuire, MichaelRoss, Rt. Hn. William
Foot, Rt. Hn. Sir Dingle (Ipsw'ch)McKay, Mrs. MargaretRowlands, E.
Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale)Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen)Shaw, Arnold (Ilford, S.)
Ford, BenMackie, JohnSheldon, Robert
Forrester, JohnMackintosh, John P.Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Fowler, GerryMaclennan, RobertShort, Mrs. Renée(W'hampton,N.E.)
Fraser, John (Norwood)
MacMillan, Malcolm (Western Isles)Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Freeson, ReginaldMcNamara, J. KevinSilkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Galpern, Sir MyerMacpherson, MalcolmSilverman, Julius
Garrett, W. E.Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.)Skeffington, Arthur
Ginsburg, DavidMahon, Simon (Bootle)Slater, Joseph
Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth)
Greenwood,Rt. Hn.AnthonyMallalieu, E. L. (Brigg)Small, William
Gregory, ArnoldMallalieu,J.P.W.(Huddersfield,E.)Snow, Julian
Grey, Charles (Durham)Manuel, ArchieSpriggs, Leslie
Griffiths, David (Rother valley)Mapp, CharlesSteele, Thomas (Dunbartonshire,W.)
Griffiths, Will (Exchange)Marks, KennethStrauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J.Marquand, DavidSummerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Marsh,Rt. Hn. RichardSwain, Thomas
Hamilng, William (Fife, W.)Maxwell, RobertSymonds, J. B.
Hamling, WilliamMayhew, ChristopherTaverne, Dick
Hannan, WilliamMellish, Rt. Hn. RobertThomas, Rt. Hn. George
Harper, JosephMendelson, JohnThornton, Ernest
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)Mikardo, IanTomney, Frank
Hattersley, RoyMillan, BruceTuck, Raphael
Hazell, BertMilne, Edward (Blyth)Urwin, T. W.
Healey, Rt. Hn. DenisMolloy, WilliamVarley, Eric G.
Heffer, Eric S.Moonman, EricWainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Henig, StanleyMorgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Hilton, W. SMorris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Wallace, George
Hobden, DennisMorris, Charles R. (Openshaw)Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor)
Hooley, FrankMorris, John (Aberavon)Wellbeloved, James
Horner, JohnMoyle, RolandWells, William (Walsall, N.)
Houghton, Rt. Hn. DouglasMulley, Rt. Hn. FrederickWhitaker, Ben
Howell, Denis (Small Heath)Murray, AlbertWhite, Mrs. Eirene
Howie, W.Neal, HaroldWhitlock, William
Hov. Rt. Hn. JamesNewens, StanWilkins, W. A.
Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)Norwood, ChristopherWilley, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Oakes, GordonWilliams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Hunter, AdamOgden, EricWilliams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch)
Hynd, JohnO'Malley, BrianWilliams, Clifford (Abertillery)
Irvine, Sir Arthur (Edge Hill)Oram, Albert E.Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Janner, Sir BarnettOrbach, MauriceWilliams, W. T. (Warrington)
Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford)Orme, StanleyWillis, Rt. Hn. George
Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)Oswald, ThomasWilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Jones, Dan (Burnley)Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn)Winnick, David
Jones,Rt.Hn.Sir Elwyn(W.Ham,S.)Owen, will (Morpeth)Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A
Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham)Padley, Walter
Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West)Page, Derek (King's Lynn)TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Judd, FrankPalmer, ArthurMr. James Hamilton and Mr. Ray Dobson.
Kelley, RichardPannell, Rt. Hn. Charles
NOES
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash)Baker, W. H. K. (Banff)Berry, Hn. Anthony
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead)Balniel, LordBessell, Peter
Amery, Rt. Hn. JulianBarber, Rt. Hn. AnthonyBiffen, John
Astor, JohnBatsford, BrianBiggs-Davison, John
Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n)Beamish, Col. sir TuftonBirch, Rt. Hn. Nigel
Awdry, DanielBell, RonaldBlack, Sir Cyril
Baker, Kenneth (Acton)Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gos. & Fhm)Blaker, Peter
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.)Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.)Page, Graham (Crosby)
Body, RichardHarris, Reader (Heston)Page, John (Harrow, W.)
Bossom, Sir CliveHarvie Anderson, MissPearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe)
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. JohnHastings, StephenPeel, John
Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir EdwardHawkins, PaulPercival, Ian
Braine, BernardHay, JohnPeyton, John
Brewis, JohnHeald, Rt. Hn. Sir LionelPink, R. Bonner
Brinton, Sir TattonHiggins, Terence L.Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col.SirWalterHill, J. E. B.Price, David (Eastleigh)
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)Hogg, Rt. Hn. QuintinPrior, J. M. L.
Bruce-Gardyne, J.Holland, PhilipPym, Francis
Bryan, PaulHordern, PeterQuennell, Miss J. M.
Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M)Howell, David (Guildford)Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James
Buck, Antony (Colchester)Hunt, JohnRawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter
Bullus, Sir EricHutchison, Michael ClarkRees-Davies, W. R.
Burden, F. A.Iremonger, T. L.Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
Campbell, B. (Oldham, W.)Jennings, J. C. (Burton)Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Campbell, Gordon (Moray & Nairn)Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)Ridley, Hn. Nicholas
Carlisle, MarkJones, Arthur (Northants, S.)Ridsdale, Julian
Carr, Rt. Hn. RobertJopling, MichaelRippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey
Channon, H. P. G.Kaberry, Sir DonaldRobson Brown, Sir William
Chataway, ChristopherKerby, Capt. HenryRodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Chichester-Clark, R.Kimball, MarcusRoyle, Anthony
Clark, HenryKing, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)Russell, Sir Ronald
Clegg, WalterKirk, PeterSandys, Rt. Hn. D.
Cooke, RobertKitson, TimothyScott, Nicholas
Cooper-Key, Sir NeillKnight, Mrs. JillScott-Hopkins, James
Cordle, JohnLambton, ViscountSharples, Richard
Corfield, F. V.Lancaster, Col. C. G.Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Craddock, Sir Beresford (Spelthorne)Lane, DavidSilvester, Frederick
Crouch, DavidLawler, WallaceSinclair, Sir George
Cunningham, Sir KnoxLegge-Bourke, Sir HarrySmith, Dudley (W'wick&L'mington)
Dalkeith, Earl ofLewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Smith, John (London & W'minster)
Dance, JamesLloyd,Rt.Hn.Geoffrey(Sut'nC'dfield)Speed, Keith
Davidson,James(Aberdeenshire,W.)Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Selwyn (Wirral)Steel, David (Roxburgh)
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir HenryLubbock, EricStodart, Anthony
Dean, PaulMcAdden, Sir StephenStoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M.
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford)MacArthur, IanSummers, Sir Spencer
Dodds-Parker, DouglasMacleod, Rt. Hn. IainTapsell, Peter
Doughty, CharlesMcMaster, StanleyTaylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir AlecMacmillan, Maurice (Farnham)Taylor,Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart)
du Cann, Rt. Hn. EdwardMcNair-Wilson, MichaelTaylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Eden, Sir JohnMcNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest)Temple, John M.
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)Maddan, MartinTilney, John
Emery, Peter
Errington, Sir EricMaginnis, John E.Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Ewing, Mrs. WinifredMarples, Rt. Hn. Ernestvan Straubenzee, W. R.
Eyre, ReginaldMarten, NeilVaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Farr, JohnMaudling, Rt. Hn. ReginaldVickers, Dame Joan
Fisher, NigelMawby, RayWaddington, David
Fletcher-Cooke, CharlesMaxwell-Hyslop, R. J.Walker, Peter (Worcester)
Fortescue, TimMaydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Foster, Sir JohnMills, Stratton (Belfast, N.)Wall, Patrick
Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone)Miscampbell, NormanWalters, Dennis
Galbraith, Hn. T. G.Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)Ward, Dame Irene
Gibson-Watt, DavidMonro, HectorWeatherill, Bernard
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)Montgomery, FergusWells, John (Maidstone)
Glover, Sir DouglasMorgan, Geraint (Denbigh)Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Glyn, Sir RichardMorgan-Giles, Rear-Adm.Wiggin, A. W.
Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B.Morrison, Charles (Devizes)Williams, Donald (Dudley)
Goodhart, PhilipMott-Radclyffe, Sir CharlesWilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Goodhew, VictorMunro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir HughWinstanley, Dr. M. P.
Gower, RaymondMurton, OscarWolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Grant, AnthonyNabarro, Sir GeraldWood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Grant-Ferris, Sir RobertNeave, AireyWoodnutt, Mark
Gresham Cooke, R.Noble, Rt. Hn. MichaelWorsley, Marcus
Grieve, PercyNott, JohnYounger, Hn. George
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds)Onslow, Cranley
Gurden, HaroldOrr, Capt. L. P. S.TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Hall-Davis, A. G. F.Orr-Ewing, Sir IanMr. R. W. Elliott and Mr. Jasper More.
Hamilton, Lord (Fermanagh)Osborn, John (Hallam)
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)

Photo of Mr James Callaghan Mr James Callaghan The Secretary of State for the Home Department, Member, Labour Party National Executive Committee, Treasurer, Labour Party

I beg to move, as a consequential Amendment to the Bill, to divide Clause 1 into two Clauses, the first to consist of subsections (1) to (6) inclusive, and the second to consist of subsections (7) to (10) inclusive.

Amendment agreed to.

HOUSE OF COMMONS

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division

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