Orders of the Day — Prices and Incomes

– in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 25th July 1968.

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Motion made, and Question proposed,

That the Prices and Incomes (General Considerations) Order 1968 (S.I., 1968, No. 616), dated 16th April 1968, a copy of which was laid before this House on 22nd April, be withdrawn.—[Mr. Iain Macleod.]

10.13 p.m.

Photo of Mr Edward Heath Mr Edward Heath , Bexley

On Monday evening I raised the question of the right of the Opposition to be able to have a Division and reach a decision on this Order. The Leader of the House very kindly said that he would consider the point, which applies when a Prayer is debated, or, alternatively, when we debate a Motion in lieu of a Prayer to meet the convenience of the Government.

I thank the Leader of the House in his absence for so ordering the business that we may reach a decision on this Prayer, or on the debate that has been taken in its place. I hope that the House will now be prepared to take a decision on the Order.

Photo of Mr Eric Heffer Mr Eric Heffer , Liverpool, Walton

On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, we are about to take a decision on this Order. As a national bus strike is pending, and as I understand from the tapes that my right hon. Friend is to present an Order to the House tomorrow, may I ask whether we are likely to get a statement tomorrow morning from the Government about the position? I think that if we are given an assurance that a statement will be made tomorrow, there will be no question of debating the Order.

Photo of Dr Horace King Dr Horace King , Southampton, Itchen

That is a most ingenious point of order. I share the hon. Member's anxiety about the matter he has raised, but we are discussing an Order.

10.15 p.m.

Photo of Mr Michael Foot Mr Michael Foot , Ebbw Vale

On the Motion before the House, I wish to put to the Government the question which my hon. Friend the Member for Liverpool, Walton (Mr. Heffer) sought to put as a point of order. I appreciate the reason why it was not possible for the Government to respond to this invitation on the point of order, but we should like the Government to make a statement on the Motion because we have a right to be assured before the House departs that there will be a statement tomorrow. Hon. Members may interject to say that that would not be in order, but I would have thought that the question whether we were to have further discussions about the operation of this Order arises under this proposal. Therefore, all that I ask—and the House has a right to it—is that on a matter of such national importance as a pending bus strike, and when the House is taking time to reconsider an Order which would govern the affairs of that bus strike, if it were to occur, it would be for the convenience of the House and the assurance of the country if the Government would assure us, before we accept the Motion, that there will be a statement in the House tomorrow.

10.17 p.m.

Photo of Mr Harold Wilson Mr Harold Wilson , Huyton

I think that the House understands the concern which has been expressed by my hon. Friend. There is an extremely serious situation in relation to the position in the bus industry. I have noted what my hon. Friends have said. I cannot undertake that my right hon. Friend the First Secretary will be personally present tomorrow, but I can undertake that a statement will be made in the House tomorrow morning on that question. I give that assurance, and I hope that the House can now proceed to a decision.

Question put:

Division No. 290.]AYES[10.18 p.m.
Allson, Michael (Barkston Ash)Giles, Rear-Adm, MorganMorgan, Geraint (Denbigh)
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead)Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Astor, JohnGilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.)Mott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles
Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n)Glover, Sir DouglasMunro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh
Awdry, DanielGodber, Rt. Hn. J. B.Murton, Oscar
Baker, Kenneth (Acton)Goodhart, PhilipNabarro, Sir Gerald
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff)Goodhew, VictorNicholls, Sir Harmar
Balniel, LordCower, RaymondNoble, Rt. Hn. Michael
Barber, Rt. Hn. AnthonyGrant, AnthonyNott, John
Batsford, BrianGresham Cooke, R.Onslow, Cranley
Beamish, Col. Sir TuftonGrieve, PercyOrr, Capt. L. P. S.
Bell, RonaldGriffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds)Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay)Gurden, HaroldOsborn, John (Hallam)
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gos. & Fhm)Hall, John (Wycombe)Osborne, Sir Cyril (Louth)
Berry, Hn. AnthonyHall-Davis, A. G. F.Page, Graham (Crosby)
Bessell, PeterHamilton, Michael (Salisbury)Pearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe)
Bitten, JohnHarris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.)Peel, John
Biggs-Davison, JohnHarrison, Brian (Maldon)Percival, Ian
Birch, Rt. Hn. NigelHarrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye)Peyton, John
Black, Sir CyrilHarvey, Sir Arthur VerePike, Miss Mervyn
Blaker, PeterHawkins, PaulPink, R. Bonner
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.)Hay, JohnPowell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Body, RichardHeald, Rt. Hn. Sir LionelPrice, David (Eastleigh)
Bossom, Sir CliveHeath, Rt. Hn. EdwardPrior, J. M. L.
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. JohnHeseltine, MichaelPym, Francis
Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir EdwardHiggins, Terence L.Quennell, Miss J. M.
Braine, BernardHiley, JosephRamsden, Rt. Hn. James
Brewis, JohnHill, J. E. B.Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. sir Peter
Brinton, Sir TattonHogg, Rt. Hn. QuintinRees-Davies, W. R.
Bromley-Davenport,Lt.-Col.SirWalterHolland, PhilipRenton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)Hooson, EmlynRhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Bruce-Gardyne, J.Hordern, PeterRidley, Hn. Nicholas
Bryan, PaulHornby, RichardRidsdale, Julian
Buchanan-Smith,Alick(Angus,N&M)Howell, David (Guildford)Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey
Buck, Antony (Colchester)Hunt, JohnRobson Brown, Sir William
Bullus, Sir EricHutchison, Michael ClarkRodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Burden, F. A.Iremonger, T. L.Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Campbell, B. (Oldham, W.)Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye)Royle, Anthony
Campbell, Gordon (Moray & Nairn)Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford)Russell, Sir Ronald
Carlisle, MarkJennings, J. C. (Burton)St. John-Stevas, Norman
Carr, Rt. Hn. RobertJohnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)Scott, Nicholas
Cary, Sir RobertJones, Arthur (Northants, S.)Scott-Hopkins, James
Channon, H. p. G.Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir KeithSharples, Richard
Clark, HenryKaberry, Sir DonaldShaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Clegg, WalterKerby, Capt. HenrySilvester, Frederick
Cooke, RobertKershaw, AnthonySinclair, Sir George
Cooper-Key, Sir NeillKimball, MarcusSmith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Corfield, F. V.King, Evelyn (Dorset, s.)Smith, John (London & W'minster)
Costain, A. P.Kitson, TimothySpeed, Keith
Craddock, Sir Beresford (Spelthorne)Knight, Mrs. JillStainton, Keith
Crouch, DavidLambton. ViscountStoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon)
Crowder, F. P.Lancaster, Col. C. G.Summers, Sir Spencer
Cunningham, Sir KnoxLane, DavidTapsell, Peter
Currie, G. B. H.Langford-Holt, Sir JohnTaylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Dalkeith, Earl ofLegge-Bourke, Sir HarryTaylor,Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart)
Dance, JamesLewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir HenryLloyd,Rt.Hn.Geoffrey(Sut'nC'dfield)Teeling, Sir William
Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.)Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)Temple, John M.
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford)Longden, GilbertThatcher, Mrs. Margaret
Dodds-Parker, DouglasLoveys, W. H.Tilney, John
Donnelly, DesmondLubbock, EricTurton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Doughty, CharlesMcAdden, Sir Stephenvan Straubenzee, W. R.
Drayson, G. B.Mac Arthur, IanVaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
du Cann, Rt. Hn. EdwardMaclean, Sir FitzroyVickers, Dame Joan
Eden, Sir JohnMacleod, Rt. Hn. IainWaddington, David
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)McMaster, StanleyWainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Emery, PeterMaddan, MartinWalker, Peter (Worcester)
Errington, Sir EricMarten, NeilWalker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Eyre, ReginaldMaude, AngusWall, Patrick
Farr, JohnMaudling, Rt. Hn. ReginaldWalters, Dennis
Fisher, NigelMawby, RayWard, Dame Irene
Fletcher-Cooke, CharlesMaxwell-Hyslop, R. J.Weatherill, Bernard
Fortescue, TimMaydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.Webster, David
Foster, Sir JohnMills, Peter (Torrington)Wells, John (Maidstone)
Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(st'fford & Stone)Miscampbell, NormanWhitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Galbraith, Hn. T. G.Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)Williams, Donald (Dudley)
Gibson-Watt, DavidMontgomery, FergusWills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)

The House divided: Ayes 238, Noes 262.

Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)Worsley, Marcus
Wolrige-Gordon, PatrickWright, EsmondTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Wood, Rt. Hn. RichardWylie, N. R.Mr. R. W. Elliott and
Woodnutt, MarkMr. Jasper Moore.
NOES
Abse, LeoFitch, Alan (Wigan)McGulre, Michael
Albu, AustenFoley, MauriceMcKay, Mrs. Margaret
Alldritt, WalterFord, BenMackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen)
Allen, ScholefieldForrester, JohnMackie, John
Anderson, DonaldFowler, GerryMackintosh, John P.
Archer, PeterFraser, John (Norwood)Maclennan, Robert
Armstrong, ErnestFreeson, ReginaldMcMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.)
Bacon, Rt. Hn. AliceGardner, TonyMcNamara, J. Kevin
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Garrett, W. E.Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.)
Barnes, MichaelGinsburg, DavidMahon, Simon (Bootle)
Baxter, WilliamGordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C.Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg)
Bence, CyrilGourlay, HarryMallalieu, J. P. W.(Huddersfield,E.)
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony WedgwoodGray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth)Marks, Kenneth
Binns, JohnGreenwood, Rt. Hn. AnthonyMarquand, David
Bishop, E. S.Gregory, ArnoldMarsh, Rt. Hn. Richard
Blackburn, F.Griffiths, David (Rother Valley)Mayhew, Christopher
Blenkinsop, ArthurGriffiths, Eddie (Brightside)Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert
Boardman, H. (Leigh)Griffiths, Rt. Hn. James (Llanelly)Millan, Bruce
Boston, TerenceGunter, Rt. Hn. R. J.Milne, Edward (Blyth)
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. ArthurHamilton, James (Bothwell)Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test)
Boyden, JamesHamilton, William (Fife, W.)Molloy, William
Braddock, Mrs. E. M.Hamling, WilliamMoonman, Eric
Bradley, TomHannan, WilliamMorgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)
Bray, Dr. JeremyHarper, JosephMorris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Brooks, EdwinHarrison, Walter (Wakefield)Morris, John (Aberavon)
Broughton, Dr. A. D. D.Hart, Rt. Hn. JudithMoyle, Roland
Brown, Rt. Hn. George (Belper)Haseldine, NormanMulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan)Hattersley, RoyMurray, Albert
Brown,Bob(N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,W.)Hazell, BertNeal, Harold
Brown, R. W. (Shoreditch & F'bury)Healey, Rt. Hn. DenisOakes, Gordon
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn)Herbison, Rt. Hn. MargaretOgden, Eric
Butler, Herbert (Hackney, C.)Hilton, W. S.O'Malley, Brian
Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green)Hooley, FrankOrbach, Maurice
Callaghan, Rt. Hn. JamesHoughton, Rt. Hn. DouglasOswald, Thomas
Carmichael, NeilHowarth, Harry (Wellingborough)Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn)
Carter-Jones. LewisHowarth, Robert (Bolton, E.)Owen, Will (Morpeth)
Castle, Rt. Hn. BarbaraHowell, Denis (Small Heath)Paget, R. T.
Coe, DenisHowie, W.Palmer, Arthur
Coleman, DonaldHoy, JamesPannell, Rt. Hn. Charles
Concannon, J. D.Huckfield, LeslieParkyn, Brian (Bedford)
Conlan, BernardHughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)Pavitt, Laurence
Corbet, Mrs. FredaHughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd)
Crawshaw, RichardHunter, AdamPeart, Rt. Hn. Fred
Cronin, JohnHynd, JohnPentland, Norman
Crosland, Rt. Hn. AnthonyIrvine, Sir Arthur (Edge Hill)Perry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.)
Crossman, Rt. Hn. RichardJackson, Colln (B'h'se & Spenb'gh)Prentice, Rt. Hn. R. E.
Cullen, Mrs. AliceJay, Rt. Hn. DouglasPrice, Christopher (Perry Barr)
Dalyell, TamJeger, George (Goole)Price, Thomas (Westhoughton)
Darling, Rt. Hn. GeorgeJeger,Mrs.Lena(H'b'n&St.P'cras,S.)Pursey, Cmdr. Harry
Davidson, Arthur (Accrington)Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford)Rankin, John
Davies, Ednyfed Hudson (Conway)Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)Rees, Merlyn
Davies, C. Elfed (Rhondda, E.)Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.)Reynolds, Rt. Hn. G. W.
Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford)Jones, Dan (Burnley)Richard, Ivor
Davies, Harold (Leek)Jones, Rt.Hn.Sir Elwyn(W.Ham,S.)Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Davies, Ifor (Gower)Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West)Roberts,Rt.Hn.Goronwy(Caernarvon)
de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir GeoffreyJudd, FrankRoberts, Gwilym (Bedfordshire, S.)
Delargy, HughKelley, RichardRobertson, John (Paisley)
Dell, EdmundKenyon, CliffordRobinson,Rt.Hn.Kenneth (St.P'c'as)
Dempsey, JamesKerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central)Robinson, W. O. J. (Walth'stow, E)
Dewar, RonaldLawson, GeorgeRodgers, William (Stockton)
Diamond, Rt. Hn. JohnLedger, RonRoebuck, Roy
Dobson, RayLee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton)Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Doig, PeterLestor, Miss JoanRon, Rt. Hn. William
Dunn, James A.Lever, Harold (Cheetham)Shaw, Arnold (Ilford, S.)
Dunnett, JackLever, L. M. (Ardwick)Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Dunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter)Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)Short, Rt.Hn.Edward(N'c-tle-u-Tyne)
Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e)Lipton, MarcusSilkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Eadie, AlexLomas, KennethSkeffington, Arthur
Edelman, MauriceLoughlin, CharlesSlater, Joseph
Edwards, Robert (Bilston)Luard, EvanSmall, William
Edwards, William (Merioneth)Lyon, Alexander W. (York)Snow, Julian
English, MichaelLyons, Edward (Bradford, E.)Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael
Ennals, DavidMabon, Dr. J. DicksonStorehouse, Rt. Hn. John
Ensor, DavidMcBride, NeilStrauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.)McCann, JohnSummerskill, Hn Dr. Shirley
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly)MacColl, JamesSwingler, Stephen
Faulds, AndrewMacDermot, NiallSymonds, J. B.
Fernyhough, E.Macdonald, A. H.Taverne, Dick
Thomas, Rt. Hn. GeorgeWatkins, David (Consett)Willis, Rt. Hn. George
Thornton, ErnestWeitzman, DavidWilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Tinn, JamesWellbeloved, JamesWilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Tuck, RaphaelWells, William (Walsall. N.)Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
Urwin, T. W.Whitaker, BenWoof, Robert
Varley, Eric C.White, Mrs. EireneYates, Victor
Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)Wilkins, W. A.
Walden, Brian (All Saints)Willey, Rt. Hn. FrederickTELLERS FOR THE NOE
Walker, Harold (Doncaster)Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)Mr. Charles Grey and
Wallace, GeorgeWilliams, Clifford (Abertillery)Mr. Ioan L. Evans.