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Orders of the Day — Transport Finances Bill

– in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 19th May 1966.

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Order read for resuming adjourned debate on Amendment to Question [18th May], That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Which Amendment was, to leave out from "That" to the end of the Question and to add instead thereof: this House declines to give a Second Reading to a Bill which seeks to make provision for

using £366 million of the taxpayers' money for the purpose of meeting the deficits of the British Railways Board and the London Transport Board for the period ending on 31st December, 1968, when the Government have failed to provide the House with details of their future transport policy, have failed to take the necessary action to reduce the deficits of the two Boards and are now seeking to make grants of a size which indicates that they anticipate further increases in the deficits of the two Boards".

Question again proposed, That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question.

Debate resumed

Question put:—

The House divided: Ayes 313; Noes 210.

Division No. 14.]AYES[10.13 p.m.
Abse, LeoBarnett, JoelBoyden, James
Albu, AustenBence, CyrilBraddock, Mrs. E. M.
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.)Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony WedgwoodBray, Dr. Jeremy
Alldritt, WalterBessell, PeterBrooks, Edwin
Allen, ScholefieldBidwell, SydneyBroughton, Dr. A. D. D.
Anderson, DonaldBinns, JohnBrown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan)
Archer, PeterBishop, E. S.Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W)
Armstrong, ErnestBlackburn, F.Brown, R. W. (Shoreditch & F'bury)
Ashley, JackBlenkinsop, ArthurBuchan, Norman
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.)Boardman, H.Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn)
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham)Booth, AlbertButler, Herbert (Hackney, C.)
Bacon, Rt. Hn. AliceBoston, TerenceButler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green)
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Bottomley, Rt. Hn. ArthurCant, R. B.
Barnes, MichaelBowden, Rt. Hn. HerbertCarmichael, Neil
Carter-Jones, LewisHowarth, Robert (Bolton, E.)Oakes, Gordon
Castle, Rt. Hn. BarbaraHowell, Denis (Small Heath)Ogden, Eric
Chapman, DonaldHowie, W.O'Malley, Brian
Coe, DenisHoy, JamesOram, Albert E.
Coleman, DonaldHughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)Orbach, Maurice
Concannon, J. D.Hughes, Emrys (Ayrshire, S.)Orme, Stanley
Conlan, BernardHughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Oswald, Thomas
Corbet, Mrs. FredaHughes, Roy (Newport)Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn)
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.)Hunter, AdamOwen, Will (Morpeth)
Crawshaw, RichardHynd, JohnPage, Derek (King's Lynn)
Cronin, JohnIrvine, A. J. (Edge Hill)Paget, R. T.
Crosland, Rt. Hn. AnthonyJackson, Peter M. (High Peak)Palmer, Arthur
Crossman, Rt. Hn. RichardJanner, Sir BarnettPannell, Rt. Hn. Charles
Dalyell, TamJay, Rt. Hn. DouglasPardoe, J.
Davidson, Arthur (Accrington)Jeger, Mrs. Lena (H'b'n & St. P'cras, S.)Park, Trevor
Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stratford)Jenkins, Hugh (Putney)Parker, John (Dagenham)
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.)Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)Parkyn, Brian (Bedford)
Davies, Ednyfed Hudson (Conway)Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.)Pavitt, Laurence
Davies, Harold (Leek)Jones, Dan (Burnley)Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd)
Davies, Ifor (Gower)Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham, S.)Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred
Davies, Robert (Cambridge)Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham)Pentland, Norman
Delargy, HughJudd, FrankPerry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.)
Dell, EdmundKenyon, CliffordPerry, George H. (Nottingham, S.)
Dewar, DonaldKerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham)Prentice, Rt. Hn. R. E.
Diamond, Rt. Hn. JohnKerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central)Price, Christopher (Perry Barr)
Dickens, JamesKerr, Russell (Feltham)Price, Thomas (Westhoughton)
Dobson, RayLawson, GeorgePrice, William (Rugby)
Doig, PeterLeadbitter, TedPursey, Cmdr. Harry
Donnelly, DesmondLedger, RonRankin, John
Dunn, James A.Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton)Redhead, Edward
Dunnett, JackLee, Miss Jennie (Cannock)Rees, Merlyn
Dunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter)Lee, John (Reading)Reynolds, G. W.
Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e)Lestor, Miss JoanRhodes, Geoffrey
Eadie, AlexLever, L. M. (Ardwick)Richard, Ivor
Edelman, MauriceLewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.)Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Edwards, Robert (Bilston)Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Edwards, William (Merioneth)Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)Roberts, Gwilym (Bedfordshire, S.)
Ellis, JohnLipton, MarcusRobertson, John (Paisley)
English, MichaelLomas, KennethRobinson, Rt. Hn. Kenneth (St. P'c'as)
Ennals, DavidLoughlin, CharlesRobinson, W. O. J. (Walth'stow, E.)
Ensor, DavidLuard, EvanRodgers, William (Stockton)
Evans, Albert (Islington, S. W.)Lubbock, EricRoebuck, Roy
Evans, Ioan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley)Lyon, Alexander W. (York)Rogers, George
Faulds, AndrewLyons, Edward (Bradford, E.)Rose, Paul
Fernyhough, E.McBride, NeilRoss, Rt. Hn. William
Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston)McCann, JohnRowland, Christopher (Meriden)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)MacColl, JamesRowlands, E. (Cardiff, N.)
Floud, BernardMacDermot, NiallRyan, John
Foley, MauriceMacdonald, A. H.Shaw, Arnold (Ilford, S.)
Foot, Sir Dingle (Ipswich)McGuire, MichaelShore, Peter (Stepney)
Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale)McKay, Mrs. MargaretShort, Rt. Hn. Edward(N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Ford, BenMackenzie, Gregor (Ruthergien)Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton, N.E.)
Forrester, JohnMackie, JohnSilkin, John (Deptford)
Fowler, GerryMackintosh, John P.Silkin, S. C. (Dulwich)
Fraser, John (Norwood)Maclennan, RobertSilverman, Julius (Aston)
Fraser, Rt. Hn. Tom (Hamilton)McNamara, J. KevinSkeffington, Arthur
Galpern, Sir MyerMacPherson, MalcolmSlater, Joseph
Gardner, A. J.Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.)Small, William
Garrow, AlexMahon, Simon (Bootle)Snow, Julian
Ginsburg, DavidMallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.)Spriggs, Leslie
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C.Manuel, ArchieSteele, Thomas (Dunbartonshire, W.)
Gray, Dr. HughMapp, CharlesStonehouse, John
Greenwood, Rt. Hn. AnthonyMarquand, DavidStrauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Gregory, ArnoldMarsh, Rt. Hn. RichardSummerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Grey, CharlesMason, RoySwain, Thomas
Griffiths, David (Rother Valley)Maxwell, RobertSwingler, Stephen
Griffiths, Rt. Hn. James (Llanelly)Mayhew, ChristopherSymonds, J. B.
Griffiths, Will (Exchange)Mellish, RobertTaverns, Dick
Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J.Mendelson, J. J.Thomas, George (Cardiff, W.)
Hale, Leslie (Oldham, W.)Mikardo, IanThomas, Iorwerth (Rhondda, W.)
Hamilton, James (Bothwell)Millan, BruceThorpe, Jeremy
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.)Miller, Dr. M. S.Tinn, James
Hamling, WilliamMitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test)Tomney, Frank
Hannan, WilliamMoonman, EricUrwin, T. W.
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)Varley, Eric G.
Hart, Mrs. JudithMorris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Haseldine, NormanMorris, Charles R. (Openshaw)Wainwright, Richard (Coine Valley)
Hattersley, RoyMorris, John (Aberavon)Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Hazell, BertMoyle, RolandWallace, George
Heffer, Eric S.Mulley, Rt. Hn. FrederickWatkins, David (Consett)
Henig, StanleyMurray, AlbertWatkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor)
Herbison, Rt. Hn. MargaretNewens, StanWeitzman, David
Hobden, Dennis (Brighton, K'town)Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon)Wellbeloved, James
Houghton, Rt. Hn. DouglasNoel-Baker, Rt. Hn. Philip (Derby, S.)Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Howarth, Harry (Wellingborough)Norwood, ChristopherWhitaker, Ben
White, Mrs EireneWilliams, W. T. (Warrington)Wyatt, Woodrow
Whitlock, WilliamWillis, George (Edinburgh, E.)Yates, Victor
Wigg, Rt. Hn. GeorgeWilson, William (Coventry, S.)Zilliacus, K.
Willey, Rt. Hn. FrederickWinnick, David
Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)Winstanley, Dr. M. P.TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch)Winterbottom, R. E.Mr. Fitch and Mr. Harper.
Williams, Clifford (Abertillery)Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
NOES
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash)Goodhart, PhilipMott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead)Goodhew, VictorMurton, Oscar
Astor, JohnGower, RaymondNabarro, Sir Gerald
Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n)Grant, AnthonyNeave, Airey
Awdry, DanielGresham Cooke, R.Nicholls, Sir Harmar
Baker, W. H. K.Grieve, PercyNoble, Rt. Hn. Michael
Balniel, LordGriffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds)Nott, John
Batsford, BrianGurden, HaroldOnslow, Cranley
Beamish, Col. Sir TuftonHall, John (Wycombe)Orr, Capt. L. P. S.
Bell, RonaldHall-Davis, A. G. F.Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay)Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)Osborn, John (Hallam)
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gos & Fhm)Harris, Reader (Heston)Page, Graham (Crosby)
Berry, Hn. AnthonyHarrison, Brian (Maldon)Pearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe)
Biffen, JohnHarrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye)Peel, John
Biggs-Davison, JohnHarvey, Sir Arthur VerePercival, Ian
Birch, Rn. Hn. NigelHawkins, PaulPeyton, John
Black, Sir CyrilHay, JohnPike, Miss Mervyn
Blaker, PeterHeald, Rt. Hn. Sir LionelPink, R. Bonner
Body, R.Heseltine, MichaelPowell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Bossom, Sir CliveHiggins, Terence L.Price, David (Eastleigh)
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. J.Hiley, JosephPrior, J. M. L.
Braine, BernardHill, J. E. B.Quennell, Miss J. M.
Brewis, JohnHirst, GeoffreyRamsden, Rt. Hn. James
Brinton, Sir TattonRawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter
Bromley-Davenport, Lt. Col. Sir WalterHobson, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)Hogg, Rt. Hn. QuintinRees-Davies, W. R.
Bruce-Gardyne, J.Holland, PhilipRidley, Hn. Nicholas
Bryan, PaulHordern, PeterRidsdale, Julian
Bullus, Sir EricHornby, RichardRippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey
Burden, F. A.Howell, David (Guildford)Robson Brown, Sir William
Campbell, GordonHunt, JohnRoots, William
Carlisle, MarkHutchison, Michael ClarkRossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Carr, Rt. Hn. RobertIremonger, T. L.Royle, Anthony
Cary, Sir RobertJenkin, Patrick (Woodford)Russell, Sir Ronald
Channon, H. P. G.Jennings, J. C. (Burton)Sandys, Rt. Hn. D.
Chichester-Clark, R.Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)Scott, Nicholas
Clegg, WalterJones, Arthur (Northants, S.)Sharples, Richard
Cooke, RobertJopling, MichaelShaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Cooper-Key, Sir NeillJoseph, Rt. Hn. Sir KeithSmith, John
Cordle, JohnKaberry, Sir DonaldStainton, Keith
Corfield, F. V.Kershaw, AnthonyStodart, Anthony
Costain, A. P.Kimball, MarcusStoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon)
Craddock, Sir Beresford (Spelthorne)King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)Summers, Sir Spencer
Crawley, AidanKitson, TimothyTalbot, John E.
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Sir OliverKnight, Mrs. JillTapsell, Peter
Crouch, DavidLancaster, Col. C. G.Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Crowder, F. P.Langford-Holt, Sir JohnTaylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Cunningham, Sir KnoxLegge-Bourke, Sir HarryTeeling, Sir William
Dance, JamesLewis, Kenneth (Rutland)Temple, John M.
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir HenryLongden, GilbertThatcher, Mrs. Margaret
Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.)Loveys, W. H.Tilney, John
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford)McAdden, Sir StephenTurton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Digby, Simon WingfieldMacArthur, Ianvan Straubenzee, W. R.
Dodds-Parker, DouglasMaclean, Sir FitzroyVaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Doughty, CharlesMcMaster, StanleyVickers, Dame Joan
Drayson, G. B.Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham)Walker, Peter (Worcester)
du Cann, Rt. Hn. EdwardMaddan, MartinWalker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Eden, Sir JohnMarples, Rt. Hn. ErnestWard, Dame Irene
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)Marten, NeilWeatherill, Bernard
Errington, Sir EricMathew, RobertWebster, David
Eyre, ReginaldMaude, AngusWells, John (Maidstone)
Farr, JohnMawby, RayWhitelaw, William
Fletcher-Cooke, CharlesMaxwell-Hyslop, R. J.Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Fortescue, TimMaydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Foster, Sir JohnMills, Peter (Torrington)Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Galbraith, Hn. T. G.Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.)Woodnutt, Mark
Gibson-Watt, DavidMiscampbell, NormanWorsley, Marcus
Giles, Rear-Adm. MorganMitchell, David (Basingstoke)Younger, Hn. George
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)Monro, Hector
Glover, Sir DouglasMore, JasperTELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Glyn, Sir RichardMorgan, W. G. (Denbigh)Mr. Pym and Mr. R. W. Elliott.
Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B.Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Bill accordingly read a Second time.
Bill committed to a Committee of the whole House.—[Mr. Gourlay]
Committee Tomorrow.