Part of the debate – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 12 November 1964.
We cannot waste the time of the Committee too much, because I want to reply to detailed questions.
We are left with this situation obsolutely lucidly clear in the minds of all hon. Members: we did certain things to cope with our heritage, which is one aspect, and we did other things to provide for pensions, which is another aspect. We raised taxation to provide for pensions now because we thought that pension increases now were due and overdue. Right hon. Gentlemen opposite agree with the pensions and then vote against the taxation.