Government Servants (Pensions and Seniority)

Oral Answers to Questions — Technical Co-Operation – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 30th July 1964.

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Photo of Mr Gilbert Longden Mr Gilbert Longden , South West Hertfordshire 12:00 am, 30th July 1964

asked the Secretary for Technical Co-operation whether persons in Government service such as teachers and administrators who choose to serve part of their careers overseas suffer any loss of seniority or pension rights by so doing.

Photo of Mr Robert Carr Mr Robert Carr , Mitcham

Under the existing standing arrangements for seconding civil servants, and the separate special arrangements for teachers, pensions rights and seniority can be preserved.

Photo of Mr Gilbert Longden Mr Gilbert Longden , South West Hertfordshire

I am grateful for that Answer, but will my right hon. Friend recall that some weeks ago in another place a noble Lord stated categorically that teachers going overseas had difficulty in getting back, had no pension rights, and lost seniority? Is he aware that this misinformation was not corrected by his noble Friend who wound up the debate? Would my right hon. Friend give what he has said today the widest possible publicity in the proper quarters?

Photo of Mr Robert Carr Mr Robert Carr , Mitcham

I will certainly see that that is done.

Photo of Mr Donald Wade Mr Donald Wade , Huddersfield West

The right hon. Gentleman said "can be preserved". Does he mean that in fact they are preserved?

Photo of Mr Robert Carr Mr Robert Carr , Mitcham

We shall get into a lot of discussion of the meaning of words, but I think that I mean "are preserved". There are slight differences of circumstances in every appointment, but the provision exists and I assure the House that my Department does everything it can to make the provision known and applied. Where it is applied they are preserved.

Photo of Mr George Thomson Mr George Thomson , Dundee East

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there is a great deal of anxiety and doubt about this? How many teachers went overseas last year whose rights were preserved in terms of pension and superannuation?

Photo of Mr Robert Carr Mr Robert Carr , Mitcham

I cannot give the figures off the cuff because so many teachers who went overseas were recruited from channels not served by my Department, but here again I value the matter being aired in the House in this way. It is the best way of making it known.

Mrs. Slater:

Is every local authority allowed freedom to do this, or has the right hon. Gentleman's right hon. Friend in the Ministry of Education sent out instructions that pension rights must be preserved? This is an important factor, plus status and appointment when they come back.

Photo of Mr Robert Carr Mr Robert Carr , Mitcham

There is a scheme and it is known to all education authorities. I am sure that I am right in saying that they do not need any special instructions from my right hon. Friend to operate the scheme, but I will certainly look into the point to make sure that I am right in what I am saying.