Oral Answers to Questions — Germany – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 3 February 1964.
Mr Jon Rankin
, Glasgow Govan
12:00,
3 February 1964
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what steps he took in association with other members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation to keep the Berlin wall from being closed; and if he will make a statement.
Mr Peter Thomas
, Conway
Her Majesty's Government, in concert with the United States and French Governments, have made repeated protests to the Soviet Government against the Berlin wall, and the suffering which its existence has caused to the Berliners.
Mr Jon Rankin
, Glasgow Govan
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that reply, but it does not exactly cover the Question. Is it not the case that it was suggested by the West Berlin authorities that because of the success that attended the opening of the wall, it should be reopened, but that the N.A.T.O. Powers, or the Majority of them, influenced the Germans against such a course? Were the British Government on the majority side? As the hon. Gentleman has just said that we oppose the existence of the wall, why does he not favour its reopening?
Mr Peter Thomas
, Conway
I disagree with the hon. Gentleman when he suggests that the N.A.T.O. Powers influenced the West German authorities against taking a certain course. Certain proposals have been made by the East German authorities, but the West German authorities have also made proposals; and these are being discussed. The real trouble is that the East Germans are trying to extort a political price in terms of recognition in return for alleviating hardship for which they themselves are responsible.
Mr Jon Rankin
, Glasgow Govan
But, surely, the hon. Gentleman will not deny that the West Berlin people warmly welcomed the opening of the wall—
Mr Willie Hamilton
, Fife West
Knock it down.
Mr Jon Rankin
, Glasgow Govan
I do not mind that. As the Government oppose the existence of the wall, why should they not favour its reopening?
Mr Peter Thomas
, Conway
The answer is very simple, and was given by the hon. Member's hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. W. Hamilton). This wall can be knocked down. It was erected by the East German authorities, it is under their control, it is manned by their guards, and if they were to remove it that would be the complete answer to the problem.
Secretary of State was originally the title given to the two officials who conducted the Royal Correspondence under Elizabeth I. Now it is the title held by some of the more important Government Ministers, for example the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.
The term "majority" is used in two ways in Parliament. Firstly a Government cannot operate effectively unless it can command a majority in the House of Commons - a majority means winning more than 50% of the votes in a division. Should a Government fail to hold the confidence of the House, it has to hold a General Election. Secondly the term can also be used in an election, where it refers to the margin which the candidate with the most votes has over the candidate coming second. To win a seat a candidate need only have a majority of 1.