Clause 3. — (Rights of Mine Manager with Respect to Instructions Given by or on Behalf of Owner.)

Orders of the Day — Mines and Quarries Bill – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 30th June 1954.

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Amendment made: In page 3, line 3, after "fulfilment," insert "in relation to the mine."—[Mr. Joynson-Hicks.]

Photo of Hon. Lancelot Joynson-Hicks Hon. Lancelot Joynson-Hicks , Chichester

I beg to move, in page 3, line 8, to leave out subsection (2), and to insert: (2) Except in a case of emergency, neither the owner of a mine nor a person acting on his behalf shall, except with the consent of the manager of the mine, give, otherwise than through the manager, any instructions to a person employed at the mine who is responsible to the manager; and where the owner of a mine or a person acting on his behalf gives, in either of the said excepted cases, instructions which, apart from the exception, would be required to be given through the manager of the mine, the person who gave the instructions shall, forthwith after he has given them, inform the manager of the substance thereof and, if requested so to do by the manager, confirm them in writing forthwith after the making of the request.The foregoing provisions of this subsection shall not apply to any instructions given by an under-manager of a mine or a person appointed by the manager of a mine in pursuance of this Act or regulations. This Amendment also gives effect to an undertaking given by my right hon. Friend to redraft the subsection so that it should provide that instructions must not be given to a subordinate except in an emergency or with the manager's consent. This subsection is redrafted in line with the similar subsection which applies to quarries and which was introduced in a new form. They tie up together.

Amendment agreed to.

Further Amendment made: In page 3, line 29, at end, insert: in relation to the mine."—[Mr. Joynson-Flicks.]

Photo of Mr David Grenfell Mr David Grenfell , Gower

I beg to move, in page 3, line 38, at the end, to insert: (c) all such written instructions shall be kept in the official records of the mine or quarry;(d) where the manager of a mine or quarry is of opinion that the written instructions would or might be likely to prejudice the safety or health of the persons employed at the mine or quarry he shall, pending consultation with the inspector, decline to execute them. We do not like the idea that instructions should be given to anybody without any record being kept, and so we ask that they shall be given in writing and kept in the official records of the mine or quarry, so that they can be available for examination at any time.

Photo of Mr William Blyton Mr William Blyton , Houghton-le-Spring

This is an important Amendment because it arises directly from the Knockshinnock disaster in Scotland. It is an attempt to prevent the divided responsibility which led to that disaster two or three years ago. It also deals with the hierarchy between the National Coal Board and the manager of the pit and the power to interfere with the safe working of the pit.

We had a long discussion on this point upstairs and we on this side of the House took the view that written instructions are no less dangerous because they are in writing. It takes a very courageous manager to take a stand against those above him, even if he believes that the written instructions he receives are prejudicial to the health and welfare and safety of his men. Therefore, we want to put the manager in a position where, although he has received written instructions from those above him to do a certain thing, if, as manager of that pit, he still believes it will be prejudicial to the safety of his men, he shall not be forced to undertake it until such time as he has had an opportunity to consult the inspector for the division.

When in Committee we were seeking to ensure that the manager should have power to go to a tribunal to protect his job, which might be jeopardised because he refused to carry out written instructions, the Parliamentary Secretary said: But the manager is not left without his remedies. We believe that the remedies which are inherent in his position give him a much stronger standing than this right to run off to a referee. First of all, he has Her Majesty's Government Inspector of -Mines. If he thinks that he is being asked to do something which is contrary to good safety practice, the first thing he can do is to call in the Inspector of Mines and to say, 'Is this a right and proper thing?' "—[OFFICIAL REPORT, Standing Committee A. 23rd February. 1954; c. 128–129.] Since the Parliamentary Secretary said that the manager had the right to go to the inspector, we thought it advisable to specify the inspector here, in view of the Knockshinnock disaster. Also, in that disaster instructions were given, but not in writing. Therefore, this Amendment ensures that all written instructions given to a manager by the hierarchy above him shall be kept at the office so that, if a future disaster occurs arising from such instructions, they can be found there and used in evidence. For these reasons, I support the Amendment and I hope the Minister will accept it.

Photo of Mr Albert Roberts Mr Albert Roberts , Normanton

It is possible that this provision may never have to be used, but if only on one occasion loss of life is prevented as a result of it, I consider that it is well worth spending our time in talking about this Amendment. We have to realise that in making such decisions the human element comes in, and that there is always a possibility of mistakes being made. Cleverness is not always wisdom, and if a colliery manager is given instructions to do something, and has gained wisdom from his experience, he may be of opinion that what he has been instructed to do will result in loss of life.

I cannot see why this Amendment should not be accepted. After all, we want the same thing—to prevent injury and loss of life in the mining industry. This Amendment will not impede coal production, it will not cause ill-feeling between the colliery manager and the hierarchy which has been referred to, and it may be important in preventing disaster. Because of the catastrophe in Scotland which has been mentioned, we hope the Minister will have second thoughts on this matter.

Photo of Mr David Pryde Mr David Pryde , Midlothian and Peeblesshire

I appeal to the Minister to consider this Amendment favourably. I spent some years in a colliery office and I well remember one grisly experience in the year 1910. Because there was no such phraseology in the 1873 Act, a workman let loose hundreds of tons of water, with the resulting death of two men and the injury of six others. That experience, and the Knockshinnock disaster in recent years, gives the Minister sufficient illustration of the dangers which could be avoided by the acceptance of this Amendment.

6.0 p.m.

Photo of Mr Thomas Brown Mr Thomas Brown , Ince

I support the Amendment. It is important that instructions given by a colliery manager in matters like these should be on record in the colliery office. Like my hon. Friend the Member for Midlothian and Peebles (Mr. Pryde), I recall that some years ago when I was in the coalfield I was charged with the responsibility of making inquiries into the cause of a disaster which involved the loss of seven men. In the course of those inquiries I was informed by one or two subordinate officials of the mine that they had had instructions from the manager to do such and such things. Unfortunately, I discovered that the manager could not be questioned. He had lost his life in the disaster.

I called upon his subordinates to produce the instructions. They said that they had not been given instructions in writing and that if they were in writing they knew nothing about them. I concluded that, in future, instructions issued by a manager to a subordinate should be in writing and that a record of the instructions should be kept in the colliery office. That is of paramount importance.

Copies of practically every report made by a colliery deputy during the 24 hours are kept in the colliery office. If it is important and essential that copies of reports on the daily round and common tasks and operations at the pit should be kept, it is equally important and essential that records of instructions given by the manager to subordinates should also be kept in the colliery office. This is not asking a great deal. We are not asking that every little tittle-tattle of instruction should be written down, but when instructions involve a change of policy in the working of the mine, a change in the ventilation and other important matters, in the interests not only of the men who are working in the pit but of the Minister a record should be kept. If a catastrophe occurs the Minister will be called upon by Private Notice Question to answer questions from both sides of the House. I trust, therefore, that the Government will agree that it is of paramount importance that the Amendment should be accepted, because it would tend to greater safety in future.

Photo of Mr George Sylvester Mr George Sylvester , Pontefract

If the Amendment were accepted, it would help the manager, because from the administrative point of view mining has altered very considerably in recent years. There are now divisions, areas, sub-areas and two or three pits in a group and there are people who, at any time, can give instructions to the manager. If the manager does not have those instructions in writing and the catastrophe occurs, somebody can come along and say, "Mr. So-and-So gave the manager these instructions." In the interests of all, from the manager downwards, the Minister ought to accept the Amendment so that when an accident happens officials will be safeguarded from somebody coming along and suggesting that they have not carried out certain instructions given to them.

Photo of Mr Geoffrey Lloyd Mr Geoffrey Lloyd , Birmingham King's Norton

We are in thorough sympathy with the first part of the Amendment, contained in the proposed paragraph (c), and we will undertake to introduce in another place the best form of words to give effect to it. I hope that right hon. and hon. Members opposite will be satisfied with that. On the whole, we think it unwise to agree to the second part, the proposed paragraph (d). We have discussed this matter a great deal and, as hon. Members know, I have thought very hard about the question whether it would be possible to go further in giving protection to the manager.

We have already given him very considerable protection in the fact that in certain circumstances he can demand to have instructions in writing from somebody who has the same mining qualifications as himself. If he is not satisfied with that, he can demand that they shall be confirmed in writing by someone specifically appointed by the owner to confirm such instructions. In the case of the National Coal Board, it would be a man of such mining experience as would make him particularly competent to deal with the questions which aroused slight doubt in the manager's mind.

We feel that the best practical resort for a mine manager in such a case is to communicate confidentially with the mines inspector. That is always open to him. We feel that this is not a case in which anything is added or improved from the point of view of the mine manager by putting this provision in the statute. The mine manager has a right to go to the mines inspector in confidence. We would expect him to do so and in such a case the mines inspector would give him support.

Photo of Mr Aneurin Bevan Mr Aneurin Bevan , Ebbw Vale

That was a very peremptory reply on a very important matter. As the right hon. Gentleman will recall, this was one of the central objections to the Bill on Second Reading. Although the Bill has been subsequently improved, nevertheless there is still a difficulty here which has to be resolved. It is not enough to say that the colliery manager can have a confidential conversation with the inspector. Can that be pleaded in evidence in an inquiry? The manager need not do it. He might do it, but if he did, would a record of the consultation be kept? If consultations have taken place, will the mines inspector take the responsibility of authorising the manager to go on? That is a very difficult situation.

I should have thought that we must go much further. One must always assume that a mine manager does not act frivolously in these matters. He will only take this exceptional step if he is very satisfied that danger is involved. First of all, he will have received written instructions, and therefore he is quite clear about them. After having examined them, he will say, "In my view these ought not to be carried out and I am going to see the mines inspector." He sees the mines inspector and I should not have thought that the mines inspector would put himself in the grave position of saying to the manager, "Your fears are groundless. Go ahead." If anything happens after that, the mines inspector is in trouble. It puts the mines inspector in the position of being an administrative official and not an inspector. That is the difficulty.

Surely what would happen in practice would be that the mines inspector would go to a person superior to the mine manager and say, "Do you not think that you ought to pay attention to what the mine manager says?" The mine manager is on the spot. The man who is giving him instructions will have a general knowledge about the position but not a precise knowledge about the pit or a district in the pit. Therefore, the authority of the mine manager is always superior in that respect, in that his knowledge would not be academic as would be the knowledge of a superior person with similar qualification, but would be precise and particular with regard to that part of the pit. Therefore, in our view, if the mine manager has taken exception it is an exception which ought at once to be respected and ought not to be set, aside unless further steps are taken to investigate.

I quite see that the Amendment can be improved. The right hon. Gentleman knows that the movers of Amendments do not tie themselves to the actual language. It is for him to consult the Parliamentary draftsmen. We require here a further protection, rather more than a mere written instruction. A mine manager will not take such an instruction frivolously. We are very anxious that there should be no discordance of responsibility. We are exceedingly anxious that the responsibility shall be seen where it really lies, on the colliery manager, and that that responsibility should be transferred to anyone else only after the most careful protection has been given to the mine manager and the men concerned.

We do not want to be too rough about this, but it really is not good enough to weep tears when men's lives are lost in the pit and then to sweep aside the provisions of practical persons to prevent that kind of thing from happening. I know that there was an argument at first that we should put the exclusive responsibility on the mine manager. Personally, I was in favour of that.

Photo of Mr Aneurin Bevan Mr Aneurin Bevan , Ebbw Vale

I was not impressed by the argument that the responsibility of the mine manager in this respect had been at all modified by virtue of the growth of limited liability companies owning collieries and having colliery agents. That was a purely property organisation and had nothing to do with safety. I am thinking of great organisations like Powell Duffryn. They were not more superior to the management because of the safety question but merely because of the commercial organisation of the colliery. The safety responsibility of the manager was still there, although it was eroded by virtue of the hierarchy set above him.

What we want is to restore the prestige and responsibility of the mine manager. Where that cannot be fully restored because the Minister is setting his face against that, we want to secure as much protection as we can for the mine manager because only in that way can we protect the men in the pit. There is no other way and we cannot have any muddle of responsibility here. I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will promise to look at this matter in another place and see whether he can find the language which would put the mine manager on firm ground before he carries out the written instructions of his superiors.

Photo of Mr Geoffrey Lloyd Mr Geoffrey Lloyd , Birmingham King's Norton

I do not think anyone who has been on the Committee would say that I have done anything peremptory on this Bill.

Photo of Mr Aneurin Bevan Mr Aneurin Bevan , Ebbw Vale

I was talking about today.

Photo of Mr Geoffrey Lloyd Mr Geoffrey Lloyd , Birmingham King's Norton

I was not peremptory, but was trying to be reasonably brief. Since the right hon. Member has raised these other points, perhaps the House will allow me to make some observations on them.

I have thought a great deal about this problem and have consulted very much with hon. Members. If I could see a further way I could have gone to give protection to the colliery manager, I would have done so. Indeed, it was only after considering every possibility at tremendous length that I reluctantly came to the conclusion that I could not see how we could make effective progress further.

As a matter of fact, I think it would not be indiscreet to say that the actual suggestion made in this Amendment was one originally thrown out by myself in the course of a general discussion. I was trying to see whether there was a way in which we could make a further protection, but although I did think of this, I came to the conclusion afterwards that it was unwise. The reason was the particular point on which the right hon. Member picked, namely, the question of proper allocation of responsibilities. I hope he will not think I am putting this in any wrong spirit, but the right hon. Member really exposed the unfortunate weakness of the proposal in this Amendment, to which at one time I was attracted, because it places managerial responsibility on the inspector.

6.15 p.m.

Photo of Mr Aneurin Bevan Mr Aneurin Bevan , Ebbw Vale

That is the reason I am not pressing, and I am sure my hon. Friends do not press, for this precise language. I think the right hon. Gentleman should exercise his ingenuity to provide for some further action which the manager could take in circumstances where he has taken exception to written instructions.

Photo of Mr Geoffrey Lloyd Mr Geoffrey Lloyd , Birmingham King's Norton

I see the point which the right hon. Member has made. If I could think of some other solution to this problem which would help the colliery manager but not do it in a way which would have some other disadvantage like the one contained in this Amendment, I should be prepared to consider it very seriously for incorporation in the Bill in another place. All I can say is that up to the present none of us has been able to find a solution. Therefore, we

have had to fall back upon what we think would work best in practice; that is, to rely on the more confidential relationship with Her Majesty's Inspectors of Mines.

Photo of Mr Philip Noel-Baker Mr Philip Noel-Baker , Derby South

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman to look at this matter again between now and the consideration of the Bill in another place? As I understand, the kernel of his argument is that this Amendment would be undesirable because it would place managerial responsibility on the inspector. I know that very eminent persons in the inspectorate hold that objection, but I have never seen that it is right. This is the sort of thing which happens between managements and inspectors every day of the week. The only difference is that in this case a manager does not want to obey an order until he has had advice on the safety aspect. I should think the inspector would be the right person to consult in any case, whether he had an order from above or not. I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will tell us that he will consider the matter again.

Photo of Mr Geoffrey Lloyd Mr Geoffrey Lloyd , Birmingham King's Norton

I will certainly consider it, but it would not be fair to the House to give the impression that I can see a ready way out of this difficulty. In answer to the right hon. Member for Derby, South (Mr. Noel-Baker) it is true that they consult the inspectors. It is quite proper that they should do so, and we would regard it as proper to do so in this case; but it is one thing to consult in the ordinary course of administration, it is another thing to place a statutory responsibility for consultation. That is the difficulty.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted in the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 230 Noes, 264.

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Acland, Sir RichardBlenkinsop, A.Chetwynd, G. R.
Albu, A. H.Bryton, W. R.Clunie, J.
Allen, Arthur (Boswerth)Boardman, H.Coldrick, W.
Anderson, Frank (Whitehaven)Bottomley, Rt. Hon. A. GCollick, P. H.
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R.Bowden, H. W.Corbet, Mrs. Freda
Awbery, S. S.Bowles, F. G.Cove, W. G.
Bacon, Miss AliceBraddock, Mrs. ElizabethCraddock, George (Bradford, S.)
Balfour, A.Brockway, A. F.Crosland, C. A. R.
Bartley, P.Brook, Dryden (Halifax)Crossman, R. H. S.
Bellenger, Rt. Hon. F. J.Broughton, Dr. A. D. D.Daines, P.
Bence, C. R.Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper)Dalton, Rt. Hon. H.
Benn, Hon. WedgwoodBrown, Thomas (Ince)Darling, George (Hillsborough)
Benson, G.Burton, Miss F. E.Davies, Ernest (Enfield, E.)
Beswick, F.Butler, Herbert (Hackney, S.)Davies, Harold (Leek)
Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vale)Callaghan, L. J.Davies, Stephen (Merthyr)
Bing, G. H. C.Castle, Mrs. B. A.Deer, G.
Blackburn, F.Champion, A. J.Delargy, H. J.
Dodds, N. N.Lever, Leslie (Ardwick)Shackleton, E. A. A.
Donnelly, D. L.Lewis, ArthurShinwell, Rt. Hon. E.
Driberg, T. E. N.Lindgren, G. S.Short, E. W.
Dugdale, Rt. Hon. John (W. Bromwich)Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.Shurmer, P. L. E.
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C.Logan, D. G.Silverman, Julius (Erdington)
Edelman, M.MacColl, J. E.Silverman, Sydney (Nelson)
Edwards, Rt. Hon. John (Brighouse)McInnes, J.Simmons, C. J. (Brierley Hill)
Edwards, Rt. Hon. Nets (Caerphilly)McKay, John (Wallsend)Skeffington, A. M.
Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.)McLeavy, F.Slater, Mrs. H. (Stoke-on-Trent)
Evans, Edward (Lowestoft)McNeil, Rt. Hon. H.Slater, J. (Durham, Sedgefield)
Evans, Stanley, (Wednesbury)MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling)Smith, Ellis (Stoke, S.)
Fernyhough, E.Mainwaring, W. H.Smith, Norman (Nottingham, S.)
Fienburgh, W.Mann, Mrs. JeanSnow, J. W.
Finch, H. J.Manuel, A. C.Sorensen, R. W.
Follick, M.Mason, RoySoskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank
Foot, M. M.Mayhew, C. P.Sparks, J. A.
Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton)Mellish, R. J.Steele, T.
Freeman, Peter (Newport)Messer, Sir F.Stokes, Rt. Hon. R. R.
Gaitskell, Rt. Hon. H. T. N.Mikardo, IanStrachey, Rt. Hon. J.
Gibson, C. W.Mitchison, G. R.Strauss, Rt. Hon. George (Vauxhall)
Glanville, JamesMonslow, W.Stross, Dr. Barnett
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C.Moody, A. S.Summerskill, Rt. Hon. E.
Greenwood, AnthonyMorgan, Dr. H. B. W.Swingler, S. T.
Grenfell, Rt. Hon. D. R.Morley, R.Sylvester, G. O.
Grey, C. F.Morris, Percy (Swansea, W.)Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Griffiths, David (Rother Valley)Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Lewitham, S.)Taylor, John (West Lothian)
Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly)Mort, D. L.Taylor, Rt. Hon. Robert (Morpeth)
Griffiths, William (Exchange)Moyle, A.Thomas, Iorwerth (Rhondda, W.)
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Hall, Rt. Hon. Glenvil (Colne Valley)Neal, Harold (Bolsover)Thomson, George (Dundee, E.)
Hall, John T. (Gateshead, W.)Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J.Thornton, E.
Hamilton, W. WOldfield, W. H.Timmons, J.
Hardy, E. A.Oliver, G. H.Ungoed-Thomas, Sir Lynn
Hargreaves, A.Orbach, M.Usborne, H. C.
Hayman, F. H.Oswald, T.Viant, S. P.
Healey, Denis (Leeds, S.E.)Paling, Rt. Hon. W. (Dearne Valley)Warbey, W. N.
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Rowley Regis)Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury)Weitzman, D.
Herbison, Miss M.Palmer, A. M. F.Wells, Percy (Faversham)
Hobson, C. R.Pannell, CharlesWells, William (Walsall)
Holman, P.Parker, J.Wheeldon, W. E.
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Hudson, James (Ealing, N.)Paton, J.White, Henry (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire)Pearl, T. F.Wigg, George
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Plummer, Sir LeslieWilkins, W. A.
Hynd, H. (Accrington)Popplewell, E.Willey, F. T.
Hynd, J. B. (Atterclifle)Porter, G.Williams, David (Neath)
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A.Price, J. T. (Westhougton)Williams, Rev. Llywelyn (Abertillery)
Janner, B.Price, Philips (Gloucestershire, W.)Williams, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Don V'll'y)
Jeger, Mrs. LenaProctor, W. T.Williams, W. R. (Droylsden)
Jenkins, R. H. (Stechford)Pryde, D. J.Williams, W. T. (Hammersmith, S.)
Johnson, James (Rugby)Pursey, Cmdr. H.Willis, E. G.
Jones, David (Hartlepool)Rankin, JohnWilson, Rt. Hon. Harold (Huyton)
Jones, Jack (Rotherham)Reid, Thomas (Swindon)Winterbottom, Ian (Nottingham, C.)
Jones, T. W. (Merioneth)Reid, William (Camlachie)Winterbottom, Richard (Brightside)
Keenan, W.Robens, Rt. Hon. A.Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A.
Kenyon, C.Roberts, Albert (Normanton)Wyatt, W. L.
Key, Rt. Hon. C. W.Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon)Yates, V. F.
Kinley, J.Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.)
Lawson, G. M.Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Lee, Frederick (Newton)Ross, WilliamMr. Wallace and Mr. Holmes
Lee, Miss Jennie (Cannock)Royle, C.
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Aitken, W. T.Black, C. W.Clyde, Rt. Hon. J. L
Allan, R. A. (Paddington, S.)Bossom, Sir A. C.Cole, Norman
Alport, C. J. M.Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hon. J. AColegate, W. A.
Amery, Julian (Preston, N.)Boyle, Sir EdwardCooper, Sqn. Ldr. Albert
Amory, Rt. Hon. Heathcoat (Tiverton)Braine, B. R.Cooper-Key, E. M.
Anstruther-Gray, Major W. J.Braithwaite, Sir GurneyCraddock, Beresford (Spelthorne)
Arbuthnot, JohnBromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W. HCrosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E.
Assheton, Rt. Hon. R. (Blackburn, W.)Brooke, Henry (Hampstead)Crouch, R. F.
Astor, Hon. J. J.Brooman-White, R. C.Crowder, Sir John (Finchley)
Baldock, Lt.-Cmdr. J. MBrowne, Jack (Govan)Crowder, Petre (Ruislip—Northwood)
Baldwin, A. E.Buchan-Hepburn, Rt. Hon. P. G. T.Darling, Sir William (Edinburgh, S.)
Barber, AnthonyBullus, Wing Commander E. EDavidson, Viscountess
Barlow, Sir JohnBurden, F. F. A.Deedes, W. F.
Baxter, Sir BeverleyButcher, Sir HerbertDodds-Parker, A. D.
Beach, Maj. HicksButler, Rt. Hon. R. A. (Saffron Walden)Donaldson, Cmdr. C. E. McA
Bell, Philip (Bolton, E.)Campbell, Sir DavidDonner, Sir P. W.
Bennett, F. M. (Reading, N.)Gary, Sir RobertDoughty, C. J, A.
Bevins, J. R. (Toxteth)Channon, H.Douglas-Hamilton, Lord Malcolm
Birch, NigelClarke, Col. Ralph (East Grinstead)Drayton, G. B.
Bishop, F. P.Clarke, Brig. Terence (Portsmouth, W.)Dugdale, Rt. Hon. Sir T. (Richmond)
Duncan, Capt. J. A. L.Leather, E. H. C.Remnant, Hon. P
Duthie, W. S.Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. H.Ronton, D. L. M.
Eccles, Rt. Hon. Sir D. M.Legh, Hon. Peter (Petersfield)Ridsdale, J. E.
Eden, J, B. (Bournemouth, West)Lennox-Boyd, Rt. Hon. A. T.Roberts, Peter (Heeley)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E.Lindsay, MartinRobertson, Sir David
Finlay, GraemeLinstead, Sir H. N.Robinson, Sir Roland (Blackpool, S.)
Fisher, NigelLlewellyn, D. T.Robson-Brown, W.
Fleetwood-Hesketh, R. FLloyd, Rt. Hon. G. (King's Norton)Rodgers, John (Sevenoaks)
Fleteher-Cooke, C.Lloyd, Maj. Sir Guy (Renfrew, E.)Roper, Sir Harold
Ford, Mrs. PatriciaLloyd, Rt. Hon. Selwyn (Wirral)Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard
Fort, R.Lockwood, Lt.-Col. J. C.Russell, R. S.
Foster, JohnLongdon, GilbertRyder, Capt. R. E. D
Fraser, Hon. Hugh (Stone)Lucas, Sir Jocelyn (Portsmouth, S.)Sandys, Rt. Hon. D.
Fraser, Sir Ian (Morecambe & Lonsdale)Lucas, P. B. (Brentford)Savory, Prof. Sir Douglas
Fyfe, Rt. Hon. Sir David MaxwellLucas-Tooth, Sir HughSchofield, Lt.-Col. W.
Galbraith, T. G. D. (Hillhead)McCorquodale, Rt. Hon. M. SScott, R. Donald
Gammans, L. D.Macdonald, Sir PeterScott-Miller, Cmdr. R.
Garner-Evans, E. H.Mackeson, Brig. Sir HarryShepherd, William
Glover, DMcKibbin, A. J.Simon, J. E. S. (Middlesbrough, W)
Godber, J. B.Mackie, J. H. (Galloway)Smithers, Peter (Winchester)
Gomme-Duncan, Col. AMaclay, Rt. Hon. JohnSmithers, Sir Waldron (Orpington)
Gough, C. F. HMaclean, FitzroySmyth, Brig J. G. (Norwood)
Gower, H. R.Macleod, Rt. Hon. Iain (Enfield, W.)Snadden, W. McN.
Graham, Sir FergusMacLeod, John (Ross and Cromarty)Spearman, A. C. M
Grimond, J.Mascillan, Rt. Hon. Harold (Bromley)Speir, R. M.
Grimston, Hon. John (St. Albans)Macpherson, Niall (Dumfries)Spens, Rt. Hon. Sir P. (Kensington, S.)
Grimston, Sir Robert (Westbury)Maitland, Patrick (Lanark)Stanley, Capt. Hon. Richard
Hall, John (Wycombe)Manningham-Buller, Rt. Hn. Sir ReginaldSteward, W. A. (Woolwich, W.)
Hare, Hon. J. H.Markham, Major Sir FrankStewart, Henderson (Fife, E.)
Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.)Marples, A. E.Stoddart-Scott, Col. M.
Harris, Reader (Heston)Marshall, Douglas (Bodmin)Storey, S.
Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye)Maude, AngusStrauss, Henry (Norwich, S)
Harvey, Air Cdre. A. V. (Macclesfield)Maudling, R.Studholme, H. G.
Harvey, Ian (Harrow, E.)Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.Summers, G. S.
Harvie-Watt, Sir GeorgeMellor, Sir JohnSutcliffe, Sir Harold
Hay, JohnMolson, A. H. E.Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Head, Rt. Hon. A. H.Moore, Sir ThomasTaylor, William (Bradford, N.)
Heald, Rt. Hon. Sir LionelMorrison, John (Salisbury)Teeling, W.
Heath, EdwardMott-Radclyffe, C. EThomas, Leslie (Canterbury)
Higgs, J. M. C.Nabarro, G. D. NThompson, Lt.-Cdr. R. (Croydon, W.)
Hill, Dr. Charles (Luton)Neave, AireyThorneycroft, Rt. Hn. Peter (Monmouth)
Hinchingbrooke, ViscountNicholls, HarmarThornton-Kemsley, Col. C. N.
Hirst, GeoffreyNicholson, Godfrey (Farnham)Tilney, John
Holland-Martin, C JNicolson, Nigel (Bournemouth, E.)Touche, Sir Gordon
Hollis, M. C.Noble, Comdr. A. H. PTurner, H. F. L.
Hope, Lord JohnNugent, G. R. H.Turton, R. H.
Hopkinson, Rt. Hon HenryNutting, AnthonyTweedsmuir, Lady
Hornsby-Smith, Miss M. P.Oakshott, H. D.Vane, W. M. F.
Horobin, I. M.O'Neill, Hon. Phelim (Co. Antrim, N.)Vosper, D. F.
Howard, Hon. Greville (St. Ives)Ormsby-Gore, Hon. W. D.Wakefield, Edward (Derbyshire, W.)
Hudson, Sir Austin (Lewisham, N.)Orr, Capt. L. P. S.Wakefield, Sir Wavell (St. Marylebone)
Hulbert, Wing Cdr. N. J.Orr-Ewing, Charles Ian (Hendon, N.)Walker-Smith, D. C.
Hurd, A. R.Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian (Weston-super-Mare)Wall, Major Patrick
Hutchison, Sir Ian Clark (E'b'rgh, W.)Osborne, C.Ward, Hon. George (Worcester)
Hyde, Lt.-Col. H. M.Page, R. G.Ward, Miss I. (Tynemouth)
Hylton-Foster, H. B. H.Peake, Rt. Hon. OWaterhouse, Capt. Rt. Hon. C
Iremonger, T. L.Perkins, Sir RobertWatkinson, H. A.
Jenkins, Robert (Dulwich)Peto, Brig. C. H. MWebbe, Sir H. (London & Westminster)
Jennings, Sir RolandPeyton, J. W. W.Wellwood, W.
Johnson, Eric (Blackley)Pickthorn, K. W. M.Williams, Rt. Hon. Charles (Torquay)
Jones, A. (Hall Green)Pilkington, Capt. R AWilliams, Sir Herbert (Croydon, E.)
Joynson-Hicks, Hon L WPitman, I. J.Williams, Paul (Sunderland, S.)
Kaberry, D.Powell, J. EnochWilliams, R. Dudley (Exeter)
Kerby, Capt. H BPrice, Henry (Lewisham, W.)Wills, G.
Kerr, H. W.Prior-Palmer, Brig. O. LWilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Lambert, Hon. G.Profumo, J. D.Wood, Hon. R
Lambton, ViscountRaikes, Sir Victor
Lancaster, Col. C. GRayner, Brig. R.TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Langford-Holt, J. A.Rees-Davies, W. R.Sir Cedric Drewe and
Mr. Redmayne.