Scottish Universities (Grants)

Oral Answers to Questions — National Finance – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 30th October 1952.

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Photo of Mr Jo Grimond Mr Jo Grimond , Orkney and Shetland 12:00 am, 30th October 1952

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why the grants to Scottish universities are smaller per student than those to the English universities.

Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames

Other factors beside student numbers have to be taken into account in assessing grants to universities. In addition to teaching, the universities do research work which bears no relation to student numbers.

Photo of Mr Jo Grimond Mr Jo Grimond , Orkney and Shetland

While I appreciate the fact that other factors have to be taken into consideration, may I ask the hon. Gentleman whether he is aware that the grants are double in England what they are in Scotland and that the numbers attending the Scottish universities are declining? Will he look into the question of these grants again?

Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames

I shall, of course, look into any question the hon. Member asks me to, but it may console him to know that whereas Scotland contains only 10½ per cent. of the population of Great Britain in the last year it got 15.6 per cent. of the recurrent grants from the University Grants Committee.

Photo of Mr Arthur Woodburn Mr Arthur Woodburn , Clackmannan and East Stirlingshire

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that that is probably because the Scottish universities can perform more work with less money than the English universities?

Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames

I am not going to be led into that dangerous and not uncontroversial subject.

Photo of Mr James Johnson Mr James Johnson , Rugby

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the Scots pay more to their teachers than we do south of the Border? Will he do something about that?

Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames

That is quite another question.