Business of the House

– in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 8 December 1949.

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Photo of Mr Anthony Eden Mr Anthony Eden , Warwick and Leamington 12:00, 8 December 1949

Can the Leader of the House tell us the Business for next week?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

Yes, Sir. The Business for next week will be as follows:

MONDAY, 12TH DECEMBER—Committee and remaining stages of the following Consolidation Measures: the Patents Bill [Lords], the Registered Designs Bill [Lords], the Vehicles (Excise) Bill [Lords], the Election Commissioners Bill [Lords], and the Air Corporations Bill [Lords].

Afterwards, time will be afforded for a Debate on a Motion relating to Gas shareholders compensation until 7 p.m.

Then a Debate will take place on the Motion relating to Cruelty and Neglect of Children, which appears on the Order Paper today in the names of my hon. Friend the Member for North Hendon (Mrs. Ayrton Gould), my hon. Friend the Member for Barking (Mr. Hastings) and the noble Lord the Member for Horsham (Earl Winterton).

TUESDAY, 13TH DECEMBER—Report and Third Reading of the Justices of the Peace Bill [Lords].

Consideration of Motions relating to the continuance in force of Section 8 of the Emergency Laws (Transitional Provisions) Act, 1946, and of Regulation 76 of the Defence (General) Regulations, 1939; and of a Motion to approve the draft National Youth Employment Council and Advisory Committee for Scotland and Wales (Membership) Order.

WEDNESDAY, 14TH DECEMBER—Debate on the Cinematograph Film Industry which will arise on a Government Motion.

Consideration of Motion to approve the Draft Sale of Food (Weights and Measures Variation of First Schedule) Regulations.

THURSDAY, 15TH DECEMBER—There will be an opportunity on the Motion for the Adjournment of the House to debate the question of Nutrition, until 7 p.m.

Afterwards time will be given for the consideration of a Motion relating to the publication of the accounts of political parties.

FRIDAY, 16TH DECEMBER—Consideration of Lords Amendments or of any outstanding Business.

It is expected that Prorogation will take place later in the Sitting and that the new Session will be opened on Tuesday, 24th January, 1950.

Amendments are expected to be received from Another place to certain Bills during the early part of next week and they will be put down for consideration on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday.

Photo of Mr Robert Boothby Mr Robert Boothby , Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire Eastern

Can the right hon. Gentleman make any pronouncement with regard to the intentions of the Government in respect of the Sea Fish Industry Bill?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I am afraid that we shall not be able to complete that Bill this Session, partly because of time and partly because it was found that some powers were needed for local authorities which would require a Financial Resolution and a re-committal. That added to the difficulty. I am sorry, but I am afraid that we cannot complete that Bill this Session.

Mr. Braddock:

Has the Lord President had an opportunity of further considering the Motion on the Order Paper signed, I believe, by a record number of Members totalling 138, in connection with the disallowance of war damage claims? If he has had an opportunity of considering giving Parliamentary time to that, is he encouraged by the fact that he has been able to find time this afternoon for Motions that are on matters which are nothing like as old and, I venture to say, no more important than this one.

Photo of Viscount  Turnour Viscount Turnour , Horsham

Is the Lord President aware that those of us who have been pressing for a Debate on the subject of cruelty to children are most grateful for the reward given to our pertinacity but entirely deny the point made by the last Speaker?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I am much obliged to the noble Lord. I am afraid that I cannot find time for the Motion to which my hon. Friend the Member for Mitcham (Mr. Braddock) referred. He is wrong in thinking that it is a record number of names. The hon. Member for Rugby (Mr. W. J. Brown) once nearly got a Majority of the House. I still defied him.

Photo of Sir Edward Keeling Sir Edward Keeling , Twickenham

In order that Christmas harmony may not be disturbed by the prospect of an early election, will the Leader of the House give an assurance that between the Prorogation next week and the date fixed for the new Session to begin—24th January—Parliament will not be dissolved?

Photo of Mr Albert Davies Mr Albert Davies , Stoke-on-Trent Burslem

Can my right hon. Friend tell us when we are going to have the draft of the Wool Textile Industry Development Council Order?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I think that question had better be put to my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade.

Mr. E. P. Smith:

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether, and if so when, the Government will give time for the Third Reading of one of the most enlightened Measures ever introduced into this Parliament, namely, the Censorship of Plays (Repeal) Bill, which has been passed through its other stages with only one slight Amendment?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I seem to have heard about the adventures of this Bill, but I am very sorry to disappoint the hon. Member, whom I should like to oblige, but I do not see much prospect of our being able to afford time for that Bill this Session.

Photo of Mr Harry Wallace Mr Harry Wallace , Walthamstow East

Is my right hon. Friend aware that his statement about a discussion on the publication of accounts of political parties will be received with great satisfaction by hon. Members of this House?

Photo of Mr James Hutchison Mr James Hutchison , Glasgow Central

Does the right hon. Gentleman recognise the dissatisfaction felt in all parts of the House owing to the fact that only five and a half hours were given to the discussion of the accounts of the British Transport Commission, which covers no fewer than five major industries, and will he say what he is going to do to make available another opportunity for further Debate?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

This is a very ungrateful world. I really did make a special effort to enable the House to discuss as many of these public corporations and their affairs as possible, which I think it is important that we should do. I did try hard, and I thought somebody might give me a vote of thanks, instead of keeping on like this.

Photo of Miss Jennie Lee Miss Jennie Lee , Cannock

Will the Lord President indicate when he will be able to implement the promise which he gave to the House last July to find time to introduce legislation providing compensation for damage to cottages owing to mining subsidence?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

That matter has not been overlooked, and the Government are exceedingly sympathetic about the point. We are seeing what can be done, but, obviously, it cannot be undertaken in the present Session.

Photo of Mr Emrys Roberts Mr Emrys Roberts , Merionethshire

Can the Lord President tell the House when it is expected that the Report of the first year's working of the British Electricity Authority will be presented?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I really do not know; I have not got the dates in mind, but I will look them up.

Photo of Major Geoffrey Bing Major Geoffrey Bing , Hornchurch

Can my right hon. Friend say, in view of the interest shown on all sides of the House in the tourist industry, and of the fact that this Motion really was signed by a record number of hon. Members, whether he can give any time at a convenient date in future for the discussion of a Motion on Tied houses which is at present standing on the Order Paper?

[That this House condemns the Tied Public House system, as at present operated, in that it deprives the customer of his freedom of choice of alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages alike, tends to restrict the provision of food and accommodation, increases by monopolist practices the price of refreshments to the customer and does not furnish sufficient security of tenure to the publican; and that therefore this House calls upon His Majesty ' s Government to inquire into the Tied House system and other restrictive practices of Brewers and to introduce, where necessary, remedial legislation.]

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I am afraid I could not give any firm undertaking at this stage. I do realise that this is a matter upon which there is fairly extensive interest among hon. Members on all sides of the House; but, as my hon. Friend knows, after he and his hon. Friends put down their Motion, the brewers did offer to make a new type of agreement with their tenants. Perhaps he and his hon. Friends might consider whether we should not wait for a little while to see how it works out in practice and get some experience of it in a practical way.

Photo of Mr Robert Boothby Mr Robert Boothby , Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire Eastern

Does the Lord President not realise the satisfaction that would be given to the whole fishing industry by the dropping of that foolish Bill—the Sea Fish Industry Bill?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I do not accept the hon. Gentleman's motives, but the net result is the same.

Photo of Captain Albert Blackburn Captain Albert Blackburn , Birmingham King's Norton

Can my right hon. Friend say whether, in view of the fact that this House has not debated what are probably the two most important events in the last 30 years—the collapse of China and the significance of the Soviet Union's development of the atomic bomb—he will say whether these most important events can form the subject of debate before the Dissolution?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I do not know why hon. Gentlemen are worrying about Dissolution, but I appreciate my hon. Friend's point, and will see what can be done next Session.

Photo of Professor Douglas Savory Professor Douglas Savory , Queen's University of Belfast

I should like to ask the Lord President of the Council whether, when a Private Member's Bill has attained a Majority of two to one on Second Reading, and after various vicissitudes has got through the Standing Committee, is it not rather hard that the Government should refuse to provide time for its Third Reading? I am referring to the Bill for the abolition of the censorship on plays.

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I am surprised at the hon. Gentleman, because I have a high regard for his intelligence, but he surely should know that there was time set apart for the discussion of Private Members' Bills in the House and that it has expired. Therefore, he should not blame the Government, but should blame the House for having imposed this shattering limitation on Private Members' time.

Photo of Wing Commander Geoffrey Cooper Wing Commander Geoffrey Cooper , Middlesbrough West

In view of the urgent need of the country for increased productivity, can my right hon. Friend give consideration to the possibility of a Debate on one of the most helpful means of increasing productivity—the subject of joint consultation?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

I think that would have been a worthy subject for discussion, but I fear that there is no time in the present Session.

Photo of Sir Arthur Harvey Sir Arthur Harvey , Macclesfield

Does the Lord President recall that the annual accounts of the Air Corporations, showing a loss of nearly £10 million, were published two months ago, and will he say when the House will have the opportunity of discussing this loss of the taxpayers' money?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

We had a discussion on the Air Corporations not so very long ago—

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

We did, and I remember it, because I got ready for trouble, and trouble did not come; it became a damp squib. We really have not done so badly this Session on the socialised industries, and I am anxious that they should be debated, but we cannot expect every one of them to be debated in every Session of Parliament.

Photo of Mrs Lucy Middleton Mrs Lucy Middleton , Plymouth, Sutton

In view of the fact that my right hon. Friend has said that interest in the House was one criterion in the arrangement of Government business, is he aware that there is very great interest in the subject of war damage claims, and that many of us for the last two years have been trying to get an adequate discussion of this matter? In view of these facts, will he take some steps to give time at an early date for this business to be discussed?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

From my recollection, I am bound to say that the ingenuity of my hon. Friend and others has secured more than one discussion of this business, somehow or other.

Photo of Sir James Henderson-Stewart Sir James Henderson-Stewart , Fife Eastern

May I ask the Lord President, who has declined over a dozen requests for Debates on important matters this afternoon, how he expects to satisfy the House of the justice of his case if he does not indicate how long the next Session will last?

Photo of Mr Herbert Morrison Mr Herbert Morrison , Lewisham East

It is obvious that it cannot last longer than somewhere about the summer.

Mr. Braddock:

May I ask the Lord President if he does not consider that, when this House has passed a Private members Bill through its Second Reading unopposed, and when it has passed its Report stage unopposed, that that is proof that this House and the country are taking a very great interest in that particular matter, which, in the case I am thinking of is that of war damage claims, and would he really reconsider this matter in view of the feeling that exists in the country?

Photo of Mr Douglas Clifton Brown Mr Douglas Clifton Brown , Hexham

May I say that already two speakers have been cut out from the Debate which is to follow by reason of these supplementary questions. I think that, as it is an important matter that we are going to discuss, it would be better to get on to that Debate. If I may say so, it is a pure waste of time to ask questions on Government business especially when Parliament is to be prorogued tomorrow week, and everything is cut down. There is no point in these supplementaries.

Photo of Mr Woodrow Wyatt Mr Woodrow Wyatt , Birmingham Aston

May I ask my right hon. Friend whether the Government have in mind a debate on the Motion relating to the subject matter which was raised by the hon. Member for Ashford (Mr. E. P. Smith) with Mr. Speaker last week?

[That the matter of the complaint of the honourable Member for Ashford referred to in the statement of Mr. Speaker on Monday, 5th December, be referred to the Committee of Privileges.]

Photo of Mr Marcus Lipton Mr Marcus Lipton , Lambeth Brixton

In view of the fact that the second subject announced for debate next Thursday night is not likely to raise any controversial issue, can the Lord President say whether he will find time for legislation requiring political parties to publish annual audited accounts?

Mr. Braddock:

May I have a reply to my question?

Photo of Mr Douglas Clifton Brown Mr Douglas Clifton Brown , Hexham

The Minister need not reply if he does not want to.

Adjournment of the House

An adjournment is a break in the course of parliamentary business.

The House adjourns at the end of each day's business.

On a daily basis the House adjourns, or breaks, half an hour after the moving of the adjournment debate.

The House is also adjourned for several holiday periods during the session.

The more lengthy adjournments - often coinciding with the academic calendar - are known as recesses.

Order Paper

The order paper is issued daily and lists the business which will be dealt with during that day's sitting of the House of Commons.

It provides MPs with details of what will be happening in the House throughout the day.

It also gives details of when and where the standing committees and select committees of the Commons will be meeting.

Written questions tabled to ministers by MPs on the previous day are listed at the back of the order paper.

The order paper forms one section of the daily vote bundle and is issued by the Vote Office

another place

During a debate members of the House of Commons traditionally refer to the House of Lords as 'another place' or 'the other place'.

Peers return the gesture when they speak of the Commons in the same way.

This arcane form of address is something the Labour Government has been reviewing as part of its programme to modernise the Houses of Parliament.

Bills

A proposal for new legislation that is debated by Parliament.

Laws

Laws are the rules by which a country is governed. Britain has a long history of law making and the laws of this country can be divided into three types:- 1) Statute Laws are the laws that have been made by Parliament. 2) Case Law is law that has been established from cases tried in the courts - the laws arise from test cases. The result of the test case creates a precedent on which future cases are judged. 3) Common Law is a part of English Law, which has not come from Parliament. It consists of rules of law which have developed from customs or judgements made in courts over hundreds of years. For example until 1861 Parliament had never passed a law saying that murder was an offence. From the earliest times courts had judged that murder was a crime so there was no need to make a law.

Prorogation

Prorogation takes the form of an announcement on behalf of the Queen by the Lord Chancellor in which he reviews the session's work.

Prorogation brings to an end parliamentary business for that sitting. There are some excpetions as to what Bills can be carried over to the next parliamentary session.

House of Parliament 'Major Parliamentary Occasions - http://www.parliament.uk/works/occasion.cfm#prorog

BBC News A-Z Parliament - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/a-z_of_parliament/p-q/82524.stm

speaker

The Speaker is an MP who has been elected to act as Chairman during debates in the House of Commons. He or she is responsible for ensuring that the rules laid down by the House for the carrying out of its business are observed. It is the Speaker who calls MPs to speak, and maintains order in the House. He or she acts as the House's representative in its relations with outside bodies and the other elements of Parliament such as the Lords and the Monarch. The Speaker is also responsible for protecting the interests of minorities in the House. He or she must ensure that the holders of an opinion, however unpopular, are allowed to put across their view without undue obstruction. It is also the Speaker who reprimands, on behalf of the House, an MP brought to the Bar of the House. In the case of disobedience the Speaker can 'name' an MP which results in their suspension from the House for a period. The Speaker must be impartial in all matters. He or she is elected by MPs in the House of Commons but then ceases to be involved in party politics. All sides in the House rely on the Speaker's disinterest. Even after retirement a former Speaker will not take part in political issues. Taking on the office means losing close contact with old colleagues and keeping apart from all groups and interests, even avoiding using the House of Commons dining rooms or bars. The Speaker continues as a Member of Parliament dealing with constituent's letters and problems. By tradition other candidates from the major parties do not contest the Speaker's seat at a General Election. The Speakership dates back to 1377 when Sir Thomas Hungerford was appointed to the role. The title Speaker comes from the fact that the Speaker was the official spokesman of the House of Commons to the Monarch. In the early years of the office, several Speakers suffered violent deaths when they presented unwelcome news to the King. Further information can be obtained from factsheet M2 on the UK Parliament website.

majority

The term "majority" is used in two ways in Parliament. Firstly a Government cannot operate effectively unless it can command a majority in the House of Commons - a majority means winning more than 50% of the votes in a division. Should a Government fail to hold the confidence of the House, it has to hold a General Election. Secondly the term can also be used in an election, where it refers to the margin which the candidate with the most votes has over the candidate coming second. To win a seat a candidate need only have a majority of 1.

Amendment

As a bill passes through Parliament, MPs and peers may suggest amendments - or changes - which they believe will improve the quality of the legislation.

Many hundreds of amendments are proposed by members to major bills as they pass through committee stage, report stage and third reading in both Houses of Parliament.

In the end only a handful of amendments will be incorporated into any bill.

The Speaker - or the chairman in the case of standing committees - has the power to select which amendments should be debated.

Second Reading

The Second Reading is the most important stage for a Bill. It is when the main purpose of a Bill is discussed and voted on. If the Bill passes it moves on to the Committee Stage. Further information can be obtained from factsheet L1 on the UK Parliament website.

Standing Committee

In a normal session there are up to ten standing committees on bills. Each has a chair and from 16 to 50 members. Standing committee members on bills are appointed afresh for each new bill by the Committee of Selection which is required to take account of the composition of the House of Commons (ie. party proportions) as well as the qualification of members to be nominated. The committees are chaired by a member of the Chairmen's Panel (whose members are appointed by the Speaker). In standing committees the Chairman has much the same function as the Speaker in the House of Commons. Like the Speaker, a chairman votes only in the event of a tie, and then usually in accordance with precedent. The committees consider each bill clause by clause and may make amendments. There are no standing committees in the House of Lords.

More at: http://www.parliament.uk/works/newproc.cfm#stand

Private Members Bill

A Private Members Bill is a mechanism for individual MPs (also known as Private Members) to initiate their own legislation. Although they are rarely successful it is an important way for MPs to get an issue they care about on the political agenda.

There are three types of Private Member's Bill:

  1. The most important is the ballot bill. Each year a ballot is held at the start of the session and the twenty MPs whose names come out top are allowed to introduce legislation on a subject of their choice.

The six or seven MPs at the top of this list are given time by the Government to have their proposals discussed in detail in the House.

Measures which gain strong cross party support can stand a good chance of becoming law.

  1. MPs may also introduce Private Member's Bills in the form of Ten Minute Rule Bills on Tuesday and Wednesday afternoons.

The sponsoring MP may make a speech lasting 10 minutes in support of his or her bill. These bills are not allocated time for further discussion and stand little chance of becoming law. They can be an important campaigning tool however.

  1. The third type of Private Member's Bill is the Presentation Bill. A Member introducing this type of bill is not able to speak in support of it and the bill stands almost no chance of becoming law.

These bills are used by MPs largely as a method of publicising a particular issue. They can also be used to test support for a particular issue.

Speaker

The Speaker is an MP who has been elected to act as Chairman during debates in the House of Commons. He or she is responsible for ensuring that the rules laid down by the House for the carrying out of its business are observed. It is the Speaker who calls MPs to speak, and maintains order in the House. He or she acts as the House's representative in its relations with outside bodies and the other elements of Parliament such as the Lords and the Monarch. The Speaker is also responsible for protecting the interests of minorities in the House. He or she must ensure that the holders of an opinion, however unpopular, are allowed to put across their view without undue obstruction. It is also the Speaker who reprimands, on behalf of the House, an MP brought to the Bar of the House. In the case of disobedience the Speaker can 'name' an MP which results in their suspension from the House for a period. The Speaker must be impartial in all matters. He or she is elected by MPs in the House of Commons but then ceases to be involved in party politics. All sides in the House rely on the Speaker's disinterest. Even after retirement a former Speaker will not take part in political issues. Taking on the office means losing close contact with old colleagues and keeping apart from all groups and interests, even avoiding using the House of Commons dining rooms or bars. The Speaker continues as a Member of Parliament dealing with constituent's letters and problems. By tradition other candidates from the major parties do not contest the Speaker's seat at a General Election. The Speakership dates back to 1377 when Sir Thomas Hungerford was appointed to the role. The title Speaker comes from the fact that the Speaker was the official spokesman of the House of Commons to the Monarch. In the early years of the office, several Speakers suffered violent deaths when they presented unwelcome news to the King. Further information can be obtained from factsheet M2 on the UK Parliament website.

Minister

Ministers make up the Government and almost all are members of the House of Lords or the House of Commons. There are three main types of Minister. Departmental Ministers are in charge of Government Departments. The Government is divided into different Departments which have responsibilities for different areas. For example the Treasury is in charge of Government spending. Departmental Ministers in the Cabinet are generally called 'Secretary of State' but some have special titles such as Chancellor of the Exchequer. Ministers of State and Junior Ministers assist the ministers in charge of the department. They normally have responsibility for a particular area within the department and are sometimes given a title that reflects this - for example Minister of Transport.