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Overseas Service (Home Leave)

Oral Answers to Questions — British Army – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 12th June 1945.

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Photo of Mr Frederick Cocks Mr Frederick Cocks , Broxtowe 12:00 am, 12th June 1945

asked the Secretary of State for War what is the present quota for leave per month in the C.M.F.; and whether this quota can now be increased.

Photo of Mr Tom Driberg Mr Tom Driberg , Maldon

asked the Secretary of State for War if he is aware that men serving in a R.A.S.C. company, of which he knows, were notified on transfer to the B.L.A. from the M.E.F. and C.M.F. that the chance of seven day's home leave to which they became entitled would not affect their prospects under the Python scheme; that their Python leave of 28 days should start on 4th July, when they will have completed four-and-a-half years' overseas service, but they have now been told they must complete five years' service overseas before becoming eligible for Python leave; and if he will take steps to mitigate the disappointment thus caused to these men and their relatives.

Photo of Sir William Davison Sir William Davison , Kensington South

asked the Secretary of State for War whether arrangements can now be made for the return of married men to this country after three years' service in S.E.A.C.

Photo of Sir Stanley Reed Sir Stanley Reed , Aylesbury

asked the Secretary of State for War what arrangements have been made, or are contemplated, for the troops serving in Italy, who went through the campaigns in North Africa, Sicily and Italy, and many of whom have been abroad for three and a half years and have served under onerous conditions.

Photo of Mr Luke Teeling Mr Luke Teeling , Brighton

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will make a statement about the repatriation of British troops in Italy; whether leave is still being granted to troops in Italy who are then returned to that country, or whether leave for those men in early demobilisation groups is being stopped so that they will be repatriated and demobilised at the same time; and whether he is aware that many soldiers in Italy have been overseas since 1941 and that their claims are not receiving sufficient attention as regards repatriation.

Photo of Rear-Admiral Tufton Beamish Rear-Admiral Tufton Beamish , Lewes

asked the Secretary of State for War if he is aware that some officers and men, now serving in Italy, who formed part of the Eighth Army, have had no leave to this country during the past three years; whether leave arrangements can be improved; and whether the Forces in Italy are granted leave on the same scale as those serving in the B.L.A. and in Burma.

Photo of Major Lawrence Kimball Major Lawrence Kimball , Loughborough

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that a number of men have been posted direct to B.L.A. after long periods of overseas service in C.M.F. and M.E.F.; and whether in such cases these men will receive a longer period of leave in the United Kingdom than the 10-day period granted to men who only went abroad with the B.L.A.

Photo of Sir James Grigg Sir James Grigg , Cardiff East

I would refer my hon. Friends to the statement I made in the course of the Debate on Friday.

Photo of Mr Tom Driberg Mr Tom Driberg , Maldon

While appreciating the point of the right hon. Gentleman's reply, may I ask him whether he has been able to investigate the particular case referred to in Question 3, and the apparent discrepancy?

Photo of Sir James Grigg Sir James Grigg , Cardiff East

As I understand it, the particular point of that was that men have been told that the grant of seven days' leave would stop their Python entitlement. I made it clear to the hon. Member, and I will make it clear to the people concerned, that there is no question of that.

Photo of Major Lawrence Kimball Major Lawrence Kimball , Loughborough

Js my right hon. Friend aware that his statement on Friday did not deal with the particular case mentioned in Question 43, that of a man posted from S.E.A.C. direct to the B.L.A.? Will he look into the matter?

Photo of Sir James Grigg Sir James Grigg , Cardiff East

I thought it did deal with these questions. I tried to explain earlier that men posted for operational reasons from the C.M.F. to the B.L.A. had a choice—either a small number could have 28 days' leave or the whole lot could have nine days' leave. A personal arrangement was made with Field-Marshal Montgomery whereby the whole of them were given leave at a shorter period. If there had been any longer period they would not have taken part in the battle at all.

Photo of Mr George Mathers Mr George Mathers , Linlithgowshire

Has the Minister made any arrangement to have the important parts of his speech of last Friday circulated? Does he realise from the further questions which have been put to him now, that it is important that what lie said should be widely known?

Photo of Sir James Grigg Sir James Grigg , Cardiff East

All I could do at short notice was to arrange for the general sense of my remarks to be broadcast on the General Forces programme, and I had arranged beforehand for the Army newspapers in the various theatres of operations to reserve space to print it as fully as possible. I would like to consider whether any other steps are necessary.

Photo of Mr George Hall Mr George Hall , Merthyr Tydfil Aberdare

Is the Minister aware that his speech on Friday did not cover all the points, for instance, that of a man in the Middle East for three years who is transferred to Europe, and has only nine days' leave.

Sir J. Griģģ:

I have just answered a question on that point.

Photo of Mr Frederick Cocks Mr Frederick Cocks , Broxtowe

Is there any need to keep a large Army in Italy at the present time? Cannot the Forces there be reduced?

Sir J. Griģģgg:

I do not think that that arises out of the seven main Questions to which I have just replied.

Photo of Mr William Gallacher Mr William Gallacher , Fife Western

In view of the large number of letters I have received from the C.M.F., and while recognising that the Minister's statement on Friday will give a measure of satisfaction, may I ask if the right hon. Gentleman is aware that there is still deep feeling among the lads out there in connection with leave?

Sir J. Griģģ:

The hon. Member's means of communication with the C.M.F. are much quicker than mine if he has already got reactions from there in the course of the week-end.

Photo of Mr Daniel Lipson Mr Daniel Lipson , Cheltenham

asked the Secretary of State for War if men, who were sent overseas without embarkation leave and have in many instances been overseas 2½ years, can now be allowed home leave without having to wait for their turn to come under the general leave scheme.

Sir J. Griģģ:

All periods of leave granted to a soldier are entered in his Army Book 64. This enables his commanding officer to compute the aggregate of his leave for comparison with that of his comrades and there is little or no doubt that this factor would be taken into account—but a general rule on this point would be impracticable. There ate cases, for example, where a man missed his embarkation leave but had more leave in general than a man who went on embarkation leave.

Photo of Mr Daniel Lipson Mr Daniel Lipson , Cheltenham

Is my right hon. Friend aware that when a man has been sent overseas without embarkation leave, it may mean that he leaves his domestic affairs in confusion, and has he not a claim to have that made up at the earliest possible moment?

Sir J. Griģģgg:

The hon. Member must be well aware that during the period troops were in this country, they had in general a leave every three months, and, therefore, if a man leaves his affairs in a complete mess, they had only three months to get into that complete mess.