Business of the House.

– in the House of Commons on 2nd July 1942.

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Photo of Mr Arthur Greenwood Mr Arthur Greenwood , Wakefield

Will the Leader of the House announce the forthcoming Business and make a statement as to the proceedings to-day?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

The Business will be as follows:

First Sitting Day.—Supply (11th Allotted Day): Committee, Debate on Propaganda. The Ministry of Information and other appropriate Votes will be put down.

Second Sitting Day Supply (12th Allotted Day): Committee. The Votes for the Department of Health for Scotland and Public Education, Scotland, will be considered.

Third Sitting Day.—Committee and remaining stages of the Allied Powers (War Service) Bill; Second Reading of the Housing (Rural Workers) Bill, and Committee stage of the necessary Money Resolution; Second Reading of the Isle of Man (Customs) Bill and any outstanding Business, including the Motion relating to Members' Passes.

We propose to-day to continue the Debate that began yesterday. I understand the hon. Member for Kidderminster (Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne) proposes to ask leave to move his Motion formally, so that the Debate may proceed.

Photo of Mr Arthur Greenwood Mr Arthur Greenwood , Wakefield

Has the Leader of the House in contemplation a fairly early Debate on the question of shipping losses?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

It is hoped that the questions of both production and shipping losses will be discussed during the following series of Sittings.

Photo of Sir Francis Fremantle Sir Francis Fremantle , St Albans

Why is it that in the Business for to-day the Motion of Censure and the Amendments are not on the Order Paper?

Photo of Mr William Brown Mr William Brown , Rugby

Is it proposed to suspend the operation of the Rule to-day?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

It is not the intention to ask the House to do so, because for the general convenience of the House, to-day being Thursday, it was felt best to take the Vote at the usual hour.

Photo of Mr William Brown Mr William Brown , Rugby

In these circumstances may I ask that you, Sir, will cast a kindly and fatherly eye on those of us who were cut out of the first day's Debate after staying until three o'clock this morning?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I am always in the habit of casting a friendly eye.

Photo of Major Abraham Lyons Major Abraham Lyons , Leicester East

In view of the fact that a number of Members who stayed up all night and tried to intervene were prevented from doing so by certain events, will the Leader of the House consider suspending the Rule for a fixed period?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

It was not my fault that Members stayed. I also stayed until three o'clock this morning. Unfortunately there were two Members who had then been unable to speak, but I do not think it would be for the general convenience of the House to suspend the Rule.

Photo of Mr Frederick Bellenger Mr Frederick Bellenger , Bassetlaw

Will my right hon. and learned Friend consider the situation that arose early this morning by what I suggest was a misuse of- the Rules of the House which will only bring Parliament into contempt? Is it not possible at some later date to consider, especially in wartime, the abrogation of this Rule, which prevents a Debate from continuing and excludes hon. Members who want to speak?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

Every hon. Member has a right to make use of the Rules of the House in what way he thinks fit, but I hope that not many hon. Members will think fit to use them as they were used last night.

Photo of Mr James Maxton Mr James Maxton , Glasgow Bridgeton

Was not the use of the Rule in the early hours of this morning and the result of it evidence that it was the proper time to use the Rule?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

I will not put my judgment against that of the hon. Gentleman. I take a different view.

Photo of Mr William Thorne Mr William Thorne , West Ham Plaistow

Is it not the duty of the Leader of the House and the Government to keep sufficient Members here?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

I think that, with the present difficulties of transport, when it comes to two o'clock in the morning it is rather difficult.

Photo of Mr Samuel Silverman Mr Samuel Silverman , Nelson and Colne

Is it not the duty of the Government Whips to keep a House, and on an occasion of this kind would it not have been better if that duty had been performed at whatever cost?

Photo of Sir Stafford Cripps Sir Stafford Cripps , Bristol East

If the hon. Member wishes to be technical, I think it was the duty of those who were moving the Motion to see that sufficient people were here to carry on the business.

Petty Officer Alan Herbert:

Is it not the case that the hon. Member who by making this use of the Rules cut out many Members—not myself—who wished to contribute to the Debate, had himself addressed and bored the House for 46 minutes?

Photo of Mr James Maxton Mr James Maxton , Glasgow Bridgeton

Have you not, Sir, known occasions in this House where that has happened before?

Photo of Mr Thomas Magnay Mr Thomas Magnay , Gateshead

Should it not be understood that, while we do not complain of being governed in this House in a time of crisis from that end, we will not be "McGoverned" from this end?