Clause 6. — (Amendment as to payment of tax by instalments.)

Orders of the Day — Finance Bill. – in the House of Commons on 8th June 1931.

Alert me about debates like this

Photo of Mr Arthur Steel-Maitland Mr Arthur Steel-Maitland , Tamworth

I beg to move, in page 4, line 23, after the second word "shall," to insert the words: except as regards payments in respect of assessments under Schedule B. I rise to move this Amendment in the fewest possible words, in view of the automatic procedure under the Guillotine Resolution. I ask just once again if it is worth while to ask for some consideration to be shown to farmers in respect of Schedule B. Theirs is the hardest hit occupation of all the occupations in this country, and surely this is not the time to put fresh burdens upon the industry.

This proposal has quadrupled the burdens of the farmers under Schedule B, and therefore I ask hon. Members to vote against it.

Photo of Mr William Graham Mr William Graham , Edinburgh Central

I propose to say only a few sentences in regard to this Amendment. The short point is that farmers already have the advantage of a conventional assessment based on one time the annual valuation, or, if their actual profits fall below that figure, they can come under Schedule D. Therefore, it is clear that the farmers enjoy certain privileges at the present time under the Income Tax.

Photo of Mr Ernest Brown Mr Ernest Brown , Leith

I rise for one purpose, and that is to make clear to the House the monstrous nature of this Guillotine proposal with regard to taxation. The acceleration of the Income Tax, whether to farmers or other people, is going to create a great deal of difficulty for hundreds and thousands of people, and it will be very oppressive. It is a monstrous thing to compel the discussion of this important Clause to take place in a matter of about 12 minutes. It is a wicked business.

Photo of Lieut-Colonel Sir Arthur Heneage Lieut-Colonel Sir Arthur Heneage , Louth Borough

I would like to congratulate one Liberal Member upon having had the courage of his convictions.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 227; Noes, 265.

Division No. 281.]AYES.[10.20 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-ColonelBoothby, R. J. G.Cazalet, Captain Victor A.
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. CharlesBourne, Captain Robert CroftCecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.)
Albery, Irving JamesBowater, Col. Sir T. VansittartChadwick, Capt. Sir Robert Burton
Alexander, Sir Wm. Glasgow, Cent'l)Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston)
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l., W.)Boyce, LeslieChapman, Sir S.
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S.Brass, Captain Sir WilliamChristie, J. A.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W.Briscoe, Richard GeorgeClydesdale, Marquess of
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover)Broadbent, Colonel J.Cobb, Sir Cyril
Astor, ViscountessBrown, Ernest (Leith)Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George
Atholl, Duchess ofBrown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y)Cohen, Major J. Brunel
Atkinson, C.Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.Colfox, Major William Philip
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W.Buckingham, Sir H.Colman, N. C. D.
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Burton, Colonel H. W.Colville, Major D. J.
Balfour, Captain H. H. (I. of Thanet)Butler, R. A.Conway, Sir W. Martin
Balniel, LordButt, Sir AlfredCooper, A. Duff
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H.Cadogan, Major Hon. EdwardCourtauld, Major J. S.
Beaumont, M. W.Campbell, E. T.Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L.
Bellairs, Commander CarlyonCarver, Major W. H.Cranborne, Viscount
Betterton, Sir Henry B.Castle Stewart, Earl ofCrichton-Stuart, Lord C.
Bevan, S. J. (Holborn)Cautley, Sir Henry S.Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H.
Birchall, Major Sir John DearmanCayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro)
Bird, Ernest RoyCayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth. S.)Croom-Johnson, R. P.
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West)Hurst, Sir Gerald B.Richardson, Sir F. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir PhilipInksip, Sir ThomasRoberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Dalkeith, Earl ofJones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton)Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford)Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)Ross, Ronald D.
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)Knox, Sir AlfredRussell, Alexander West (Tyncmouth)
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)Lamb, Sir J. Q.Salmon, Major I.
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F.Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton)Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Dixey, A. C.Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R.Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Duckworth, G. A. V.Latham, H. P. (Scarboro' & Whitby)Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Eden, Captain AnthonyLaw, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak)Savery, S. S.
Elliot, Major Walter E.Leigh, Sir John (Clapham)Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
England, Colonel A.Leighton, Major B. E. P.Simms, Major-General J.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s. M.)Lewis, Oswald (Colchester)Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.)Little, Graham-, Sir ErnestSinclair, Col. T. (Queen's U., Belfst.)
Everard, W. LindsayLlewellin, Major J. J.Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Falle, Sir Bertram G.Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. GodfreySmith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dlne. C.)
Ferguson, Sir JohnLockwood, Captain J. H.Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Fermoy, LordLong, Major Hon. EricSmithers, Waldron
Fielden, E. B.Lymington, ViscountSomerset, Thomas
Fison, F. G. ClaveringMacdonald, Sir M. (Inverness)Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Ford, Sir P. J.Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham)Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Galbraith, J. F. W.Makins, Brigadier-General E.Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Ganzonl, Sir JohnMargesson, Captain H. D.Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. HamiltonMarjoribanks, EdwardStanley, Hon. O (Westmorland)
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir JohnMason, Colonel Glyn K.Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Glyn, Major R. G. C.Meller, R. J.Stewart, W. J. (Belfast, South)
Gower, Sir RobertMerriman, Sir F. BoydStuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Grace, JohnMilne, Wardlaw-, J. S.Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)Thomas, Major L. B, (King's Norton)
Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir BThompson, Luke
Greaves-Lord, Sir WalterMoore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond)Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Greene, W. P. CrawfordMoore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London)Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. JohnMulrhead, A. J.Turton, Robert Hugh
Gritten, W. G. HowardNewton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.Nicholson, O. (Westminster)Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Gunston, Captain D. W.Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld)Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.O'Connor, T. J.Warrender, Sir Victor
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)Oman, Sir Charles William C.Wayland, Sir William A.
Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)O'Neill, Sir H.Wells, Sydney R.
Hammersloy, S. S.Peake, Capt. OsbertWilliams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Hanbury, C.Penny, Sir GeorgeWilson, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.)
Hannon, Patrick Joseph HenryPercy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)Windsor-dive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)Perkins, W. R. D.Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Haslam, Henry C.Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)Withers, Sir John James
Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd. Henley)Power, Sir John CecilWolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.Pownall, Sir AsshetonWomersley, W. J.
Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford)Preston, Sir Walter RuebenWood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar)Ramsbotham, H.Wright, Brig.-Gen. W. D. (Tavist'k)
Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S.Rawson, Sir CooperYoung, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K.Reid, David D. (County Down)
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)Remer, John R.TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir AylmerRentoul, Sir Gervals S.Major Sir George Hennessy and
Hurd, Percy A.Reynolds, Col. Sir JamesSir Frederick Thomson.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West)Broad, Francis AlfredDallas, George
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock)Brockway, A. FennerDavies, E. C. (Montgomery)
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. ChristopherBromfield, WilliamDavies, D. L. (Pontypridd)
Altchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M.Bromley, J.Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro')Brooke, W.Day, Harry
Alpass, J. H.Brothers, M.Denman, Hon. R. D.
Ammon, Charles GeorgeBrown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield)Dukes, C.
Angell, Sir NormanBrown, Rt. Hon. J. (South Ayrshire)Duncan, Charles
Arnott, JohnBrown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West)Ede, James Chuter
Aske, Sir RobertBuchanan, G.Edge, Sir William
Attlee, Clement RichardBurgess, F. G.Edmunds, J. E.
Ayles, WalterBurgin, Dr. E. L.Edwards, E. (Morpeth)
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston)Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland)Egan, W. H.
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley)Calne, Hall-, DerwentElmley, Viscount
Barnes, Alfred JohnCameron, A. G.Freeman, Peter
Barr, JamesCape, ThomasGardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)
Batey, JosephCarter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.)Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.)
Beckett, John (Camberwell, Peckham)Charleton, H. C.Gibbins, Joseph
Benn, Rt. Hon. WedgwoodChater, DanielGibson, H. M. (Lancs. Mossley)
Bennett, Sir E. N. (Cardiff, Central)Cluse, W. S.Gill, T. H.
Bennett, William (Battersea, South)Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Gillett, George M.
Benson, G.Cocks, Frederick Seymour.Glassey, A. E
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale)Compton, JosephGossling, A. G.
Birkett, W. NormanCove, William G.Gould, F.
Bowen, J. W.Cripps, Sir StaffordGraham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Daggar, GeorgeGraham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.)
Gray, MilnerMcKinlay, A.Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne).MacLaren, AndrewShaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.)Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.)Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)Sherwood, G. H.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)MacNeill-Weir, L.Shield, George William
Groves, Thomas E.McShane, John JamesShiels, Dr. Drummond
Grundy, Thomas W.Mander, Geoffrey le M.Shillaker, J. F.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil)Mansfield, W.Simmons, C. J.
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel)March, S.Simon, E. D. (Manch'ter, Wellington)
Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.)Marcus, M.Sinkinson, George
Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn)Marley, J.Sitch, Charles H.
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland)Marshall, FredSmith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Hardie, G. D. (Springburn)Mathers, GeorgeSmith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Harris, Percy A.Matters, L. W.Smith, Lees-, Rt. Hon. H. B. (Keighley)
Hastings, Dr. SomervilleMaxton, JamesSmith, Rennie (Penistone)
Haycock, A. W.Messer, FredSmith, Tom (Pontefract)
Hayes, John HenryMiddleton, G.Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Henderson, Arthur, junr. (Cardiff, S.)Mills, J. E.Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow)Milner, Major J.Sorensen, R.
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield)Montague, FrederickStamford, Thomas W.
Herriotts, J.Morgan, Dr. H. B.Stephen, Campbell
Hirst, G. H. (York W. B. Wentworth)Morley, RalphStrauss, G. R.
Hirst, W. (Bradford, South)Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.)Sullivan, J.
Hoffman, P. C.Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.)Sutton, J. E.
Hollins, A.Mort, D. L.Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Hopkin, DanielMuff, G.Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Hunter, Dr. JosephMuggeridge, H. T.Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Isaacs, GeorgeMurnin, HughThorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Jenkins, Sir WilliamNathan, Major H. L.Thurtle, Ernest
John, William (Rhondda, West)Naylor, T. E.Tillett, Ben
Johnston, Rt. Hon. ThomasNewman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)Tinker, John Joseph
Jones, Llewellyn-, F.Noel Baker, P. J.Tout, W. J.
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Noel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.)Townend, A. E.
Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W.Oldfield, J. R.Vaughan, David
Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. (Preston)Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston)Viant, S. P.
Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford)Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)Walkden, A. G.
Kelly, W. T.Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon)Walker, J.
Kennedy, Rt. Hon. ThomasPalin, John HenryWallace, H. W.
Kenworthy Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M.Palmer, E. T.Watkins, F. C.
Kinley, J.Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Knight, HolfordPerry, S. F.Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Lang, GordonPethick-Lawrence, F. W.Wellock, Wilfred
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. GeorgePhillips, Dr. MarlonWelsh, James (Paisley)
Law, Albert (Bolton)Picton-Turbervill, EdithWelsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Law, A. (Rossendale)Pole, Major D. G.West, F. R.
Lawrence, SusanPotts, John S.Westwood, Joseph
Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge)Price, M. P.White, H. G.
Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)Pybus, Percy JohnWhiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Leach, W.Ramsay, T. B. WilsonWhiteley, William (Blaydon)
Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.)Raynes, W. R.Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)Richards, R.Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Lees, J.Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Lewis, T. (Southampton)Riley, Ben (Dewsbury)Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Lindley, Fred W.Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees)Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Lloyd, C. EllisRitson, J.Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Logan, David GilbertRomeril, H. G.Winterton, G. E. (Lelcester, Loughb'gh)
Longbottom, A. W.Rosbotham, D. S. T.Wise, E. F.
Longden, F.Rowson, GuyWood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Lovat-Fraser, J. A.Salter, Dr. AlfredYoung, R. S. (Islington, North)
Lunn, WilliamSamuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Macdonald, Gordon (Ince)Sanders, W. S.TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
McElwee, A.Sawyer, G. F.Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. Paling.
McEntee, V. L.Scurr, John
McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettleston)Sexton, Sir James

It being after Half-past Ten of the Clock, the CHAIRMAN proceeded, pursuant to the Order of the House of 4th June, to put forthwith the Question necessary to dispose of the business to

be concluded at Half-past Ten of the. Clock at this day's Sitting,

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 267; Noes, 227.

Division No. 282.]AYES.[10.30 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West)Arnott, JohnBatey, Joseph
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock)Aske, Sir RobertBenn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. ChristopherAttlee, Clement RichardBennett, Sir E. N. (Cardiff, Central)
Altchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M.Ayles, WalterBennett, William (Battersea, South)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro')Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston)Benson, G.
Alpass, J. H.Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley)Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale)
Ammon, Charles GeorgeBarnes, Alfred JohnBirkett, W. Norman
Angell, Sir NormanBarr, JamesBowen, J. W.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Hunter, Dr. JosephPicton-Turbervill, Edith
Broad, Francis AlfredIsaacs, GeorgePole, Major D. G.
Brockway, A. FennerJenkins, Sir WilliamPotts, John S.
Bromfield, WilliamJohn, William (Rhondda, West)Price, M. P.
Bromley, J.Johnston, Rt. Hon. ThomasPybus, Percy John
Brooke, W.Jones, Llewellyn-, F.Ramsay, T. B. Wilson
Brothers, M.Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Reynes, W. R.
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield)Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W.Richards, R.
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (South Ayrshire)Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. (Preston)Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Brown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West)Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford)Riley, Ben (Dewsbury)
Buchanan, G.Kelly, W. T.Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Burgess, F. G.Kennedy, Rt. Hon. ThomasRitson, J.
Burgin, Dr. E. L.Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M.Romeril, H. G.
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland)Kinley, J.Rosbotham, D. S. T.
Calne, Hall-, DerwentKnight, HolfordRowson, Guy
Cameron, A. G.Lang, GordonSalter, Dr. Alfred
Cape, ThomasLansbury, Rt. Hon. GeorgeSamuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.)Law, Albert (Bolton)Sanders, W. S.
Charleton, H. C.Law, A. (Rossendale)Sawyer, G. F.
Chater, DanielLawrence, SusanScurr, John
Cluse, W. S.Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge)Sexton, Sir James
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Cocks, Frederick SeymourLeach, W.Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Compton, JosephLee, Frank (Derby, N. E.)Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Cove, William G.Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)Sherwood, G. H.
Cripps, Sir StaffordLees, J.Shield, George William
Daggar, GeorgeLewis, T. (Southampton)Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Dallas, GeorgeLindley, Fred W.Shillaker, J. F.
Davies, E. C. (Montgomery)Lloyd, C. EllisSimmons, C. J.
Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd)Logan, David GilbertSimon, E. D. (Manch'ter, Withington)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)Longbottom, A. W.Sinkinson, George
Day, HarryLongden, F.Sitch, Charles H.
Denman, Hon. R. D.Lovat-Fraser, J. A.Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Dukes, C.Lunn, WilliamSmith, Lees-, Rt. Hon. H. B. (Keighley)
Duncan, CharlesMacdonald, Gordon (Ince)Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Ede, James ChuterMcElwee, A.Smith, Tom (Pontefract)
Edge, Sir WilliamMcEntee, V. L.Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Edmunds, J. E.McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettleston)Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)McKinlay, A.Sorensen, R.
Edwards, E. (Morpeth)MacLaren, AndrewStamford, Thomas W.
Egan, W. H.Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.)Stephen, Campbell
Elmley, ViscountMaclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)Strauss, G. R.
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.)MacNeill-Weir, L.Sullivan, J.
Freeman, PeterMcShane, John JamesSutton, J. E.
Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)Mander, Geoffrey le M.Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.)Mansfield, W.Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke)March, S.Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Gibbins, JosephMarcus, M.Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Gibson, H. M. (Lance. Mossley)Marley, J.Thurtle, Ernest
Gill, T. H.Marshall, FredTillett, Ben
Gillett, George M.Mathers, GeorgeTinker, John Joseph
Glassey, A. E.Matters, L. W.Tout, W. J.
Gossling, A. G.Maxton, JamesTownend, A. E.
Gould, F.Messer, FredVaughan, David
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)Middleton, G.Viant, S. P.
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.)Mills, J. E.Walkden, A. G.
Gray, MilnerMilner, Major J.Walker, J.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne).Montague, FrederickWallace, H. W.
Grenfell, D. H. (Glamorgan)Morgan, Dr. H. B.Watkins, F. C.
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W)Morley, RalphWatson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.)Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Groves, Thomas E.Morrison, Robert C, (Tottenham, N.)Wellock, Wilfred
Grundy, Thomas W.Mort, D. L.Welsh, James (Paisley)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil)Muff, G.Welsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel)Muggeridge, H. T.West, F. R.
Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.)Murnin, HughWestwood, Joseph
Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn)Nathan, Major H. L.White, H. G.
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland)Naylor, T. E.Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Hardie, G. D. (Springburn)Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Harris, Percy A.Noel Baker, P. J.Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Hastings, Dr. SomervilleNoel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.)Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Haycock, A. W.Oldfield, J. R.Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Henderson, Arthur, Junr, (Cardiff, S.)Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston)Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow)Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield)Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon)Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Herriotts, J.Palin, John HenryWinterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Hicks, Ernest GeorgePaling, WilfridWise, E. F.
Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth)Palmer, E. T.Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Hirst, W. (Bradford, South)Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Hoffman, P. C.Perry, S. F.
Hollins, A.Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Hopkin, DanielPhillips, Dr. MarlonMr. Hayes and Mr. B. Smith.
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-ColonelElliot, Major Walter E.Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. CharlesEngland, Colonel A.Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Cliva
Albery, Irving JamesErskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.)Muirhead, A. J.
Alexander, Sir Wm. (Glasgow, Cent'l)Everard, W. LindsayNewton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l., W.)Falle, Sir Bertram G.Nicholson, O. (Westminster)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S.Ferguson, Sir JohnNicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld)
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W.Fermoy, LordO'Connor, T. J.
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover)Fielden, E. B.Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Astor, ViscountessFison, F. G. ClaveringO'Neill, Sir H.
Atholl, Duchess ofFord, Sir P. J.Peake, Capt. Osbert
Atkinson, C.Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W.Galbraith, J. F. W.Perkins, W. R. D.
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Ganzonl, Sir JohnPeto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Balfour, Captain H. H. (I. of Thanet)Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. HamiltonPower, Sir John Cecil
Balniel, LordGilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir JohnPownall, Sir Assheton
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H.Glyn, Major R. G. C.Preston, Sir Walter Rueben
Beaumont, M. W.Gower, Sir RobertRamsbotham, H.
Bellairs, Commander CarlyonGraham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)Rawson, Sir Cooper
Betterton, Sir Henry B.Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.Reid, David D. (County Down)
Bevan, S. J. (Holborn)Greaves-Lord, Sir WalterRemer, John R.
Birchall, Major Sir John DearmanGreene, W. P. CrawfordRentoul, Sir Gervals S.
Bird, Ernest RoyGrenfell, Edward C. (City of London)Reynolds, Col. Sir James
Boothby, R. J. G.Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. JohnRichardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'yl
Bourne, Captain Robert CroftGritten, W. G. HowardRoberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. VansittartGuinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.Gunston, Captain D. W.Ross, Ronald D.
Boyce, LeslieHacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Brass, Captain Sir WilliamHall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)Salmon, Major I.
Briscoe, Richard GeorgeHamilton, Sir George (Ilford)Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Broadbent, Colonel J.Hammersley, S. S.Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Brown, Ernest (Leith)Hanbury, C.Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y)Honnon, Patrick Joseph HenrySavery, S. S.
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Buckingham, Sir H.Haslam, Henry C.Simms, Major-General J.
Bullock, Captain MalcolmHenderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley)Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Burton, Colonel H. W.Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's U., Belfst.)
Butler, R. A.Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J.Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Butt, Sir AlfredHerbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford)Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dlne, C.)
Cadogan, Major Hon. EdwardHope, Sir Harry (Forfar)Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Campbell, E. T.Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S.Smithers, Waldron
Carver, Major W. H.Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K.Somerset, Thomas
Castle Stewart, Earl ofHudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cautley, Sir Henry S.Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir AylmerSomerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)Hurd, Percy A.Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth. S.)Hurst, Sir Gerald B.Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Cazalet, Captain Victor A.Inskip, Sir ThomasStanley, Lord (Fylde)
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.)Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton)Stanley, Hon. O. (Westmorland)
Chadwick, Capt. Sir Robert BurtonJones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston)Knox, Sir AlfredStewart, W. J. (Belfast South)
Chapman, Sir S.Lamb, Sir J. Q.Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Christie, J. A.Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton)Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Clydesdale, Marquess ofLane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R.Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Cobb, Sir CyrilLatham, H. P. (Scarboro' & Whitby)Thompson, Luke
Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir GeorgeLaw, Sir Alfred (Derby. High Peak)Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Cohen, Major J. BrunelLeigh, Sir John (Clapham)Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Colfox, Major William PhilipLelghton, Major B. E. P.Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Colman, N. C. D.Lewis, Oswald (Colchester)Turton, Robert Hugh
Colville, Major D. J.Little, Graham-, Sir ErnestVaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Conway, Sir W. MartinLlewellin, Major J. J.Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Cooper, A. DuffLocker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. GodlreyWard, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Courtauld, Major J. S.Lockwood, Captain J. H.Warrender, Sir Victor
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L.Long, Major Hon. EricWayland, Sir William A.
Cranborne, ViscountLymington, ViscountWells, Sydney R.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C.Macdonald, Sir M. (Inverness)Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H.Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W)Wilson, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.)
Crookshank, Capt. H. C.Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham)Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Croom-Johnson, R. P.Makins, Brigadier-General E.Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West)Margesson, Captain H. D.Withers, Sir John James
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir PhilipMarjorlbanks, EdwardWolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Dalkeith, Earl ofMason, Colonel Glyn K.Womersley, W. J.
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford)Meller, R. J.Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)Merriman, Sir F. BoydWright, Brig.-Gen. W. D. (Tavist'k)
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)Milne, Wardlaw-, J. S.Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F.Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Dixey, A. C.Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B.TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Duckworth, G. A. V.Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond)Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.
Eden, Captain AnthonyMoore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Chairman do report Progress, and ask leave to sit again.—[Mr. T. Kennedy.]

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

On a Motion of this kind it would be quite out of order to discuss the action of the House in passing the Guillotine Resolution or the attitude of the Chair, which is only the servant of the House, but it is necessary to realise that for the last 10 minutes the Government have been raking money out of the taxpayers' pocket at the rate of £1,000,000 a minute. [Interruption.] I make no complaint of that. It is no doubt right for the Government to bring forward whatever Motion they please. The Government supporters will have to answer for their action, not to us, but to the country. [Interruption.] But the action of the Government in submitting this Motion to the House is one which deserves the most unshrinkable condemnation in every quarter—[Interruption.]

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The Question before the Committee is that I report Progress and ask leave to sit again, and the hon. and gallant Member must show why I should not report Progress.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

It is difficult within the drastic limitations which the majority has imposed upon the minority to give adequate reasons why we should not report Progress, but I should have thought that the proceedings of the last few minutes were a sufficient answer. The Government have shown the most arrogant contempt of a minority ever shown, and an overwhelming class prejudice. The Amendment we were proposing to put before the Committee, if an opportunity had been afforded us, was to call attention to the case of the professional man. [Interruption.]

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

We cannot discuss any Amendment on the Motion to report Progress, and it is my duty to put the Question.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

Of course, Sir Robert, we realise that, and we want the country to realise it also. We want the country to realise that the House of Commons is muzzled by a Motion submitted by the party who have always claimed to be the democratic party, who have always claimed to be the guardian of free debate and by those who were loudest in their condemnation when any Motion to limit debate was brought forward by the Conservative party when they were in office. I wish to draw the attention of the country also to the fact that we are asked now to report Progress, and to carry this Motion with the assistance and the connivance and the active support of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Darwen (Sir H. Samuel) and his friends. It is the action of the Darwen— [Interruption.]

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The hon. and gallant Member up to now has not given any reason for not reporting Progress.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

I bow to your Ruling without a moment's hesitation, and had it not been for it I should certainly have considered that I was advancing such reasons. But it is certainly not my desire to contravene your Ruling or the Rules of the House. I ask you whether we should be in order in discussing Clause 7 of the Bill at this point? Surely the proceedings have shown that the Bill requires more discussion and consideration that it is likely to get under present conditions? There is still three-quarters of an hour left of Parliamentary time. Are we to pass now from discussion of a Bill which has had to be guillotined in so stringent a fashion? Should we be within our rights in discussing whether or not we should report Progress or whether we should now proceed to discuss further Clauses of the Bill? I quite realise that it would be out of order for us to discuss the merits of Clause 7, owing to the Resolution passed by the House, but it seems to me that we are fully within our rights in discussing whether we should now—[Interrupttion.] The Chairman of Committees has a duty not merely to the Government side of the Committee but to minorities. We can well understand that hon. Members opposite are ashamed of their action. As a point of Order, I ask whether we are in order in declining, as an Opposition, to part with the Bill now, and whether we are in order in continuing the discussion of the Bill and not reporting Progress here and now?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

If the Committee carries the Motion that I do not report Progress, the Debate can be carried on.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

If we can continue till Eleven, surely it is not beyond the Rules to continue till 11.30?

Commander Sir BOLTON EYRES MONSELL:

On a point of Order. The Guillotine which the Government have imposed upon us merely says that the Guillotine shall fall at a certain time. If we can prevent the Motion being carried, cannot we discuss Clause 7 or Clause 8 all night?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

Provided the Motion if got rid of, I will give a decision.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

Then I understand, Sir Robert, that your Ruling is that the discussion on the Bill can proceed indefinitely, this being exempted Business, and not subject to the Eleven o'clock Rule?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The Motion is, "That I do report Progress, and ask leave to sit again." We must dispose of that first.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

Whether the Motion is carried or not, I understand the discussion on the Bill can then proceed?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The procedure is in accordance with that governing the sittings of the House.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

Let me be accurate on this point. [Interruption.] Some day it will be the turn of hon. Members opposite to be in Opposition. If discussion follows upon the Motion to report Progress, and if that Motion is carried, and we report Progress, does that mean the discussion can then take place upon other topics or upon the Bill? What exactly is the position?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The Question is, "That I do report Progress, and ask leave to sit again." If that Motion is carried, I shall leave the Chair and report to Mr. Speaker.

Photo of Mr Walter Elliot Mr Walter Elliot , Glasgow Kelvingrove

Then it is the desire of the Opposition, obviously, that that Motion should not be carried, and it is the right of the Opposition to bring forward arguments to show why it should not be carried. I have put forward, to the best of my ability, arguments to show why it is a Parliamentary scandal that the Motion should be put and carried now with public business in such a condition that the Government can pass the whole of a year's Budget through the Committee stage in one day. Protests have come from other sections of the House beside this section. [Interruption.] Hon. Members opposite who are so desirous of stifling discussion, though they may succeed in stopping it in this House, will not succeed in stopping it in the country. There are other sections who also wish to make a protest to-night. For that reason, and that reason only, I resume my seat now although there are arguments which would be quite sufficient to take up the rest of the time available to the House, I am not putting them because, unlike hon. Members opposite, we wish to give other sections of the House a chance of speaking.

Photo of Mr Ernest Brown Mr Ernest Brown , Leith

The first argument I will adduce against the Motion to report Progress is that, like you, Sir, the night is young. Before the night gets older, we ought to have more time than is allotted to us under the Guillotine to discuss future Clauses. The fact is that, though we cannot go back on what has been decided, we can take advantage of what has happened, namely, there being no Government Amendments outstand-at 10.30, so that the House has a period of time in addition to that allotted under the Guillotine which it can easily give to discussing the great and major issues which we are also to discuss to-morrow. I appeal to the Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury to realise that what we have just seen is one of the worst examples of the use of the Guillotine ever seen in the House of Commons. Anyone who has even a cursory acquaintance with the Amendments which have been put down to these Clauses, knows that more time ought to be given to the discussion of the Clauses. Therefore, I appeal to the hon. Gentleman to withdraw this Motion and to give the Committee the full use of every moment available for the discussion of the fundamental issues wrapped up in Clauses 7 and 8. I oppose the Motion because we ought to have not merely hours more, but days more in which to discuss these matters.

11.0 p.m.

Photo of Mr Charles Williams Mr Charles Williams , Torquay

There are many reasons for opposing this Motion though there are one or two reasons why it might be advisable to report Progress at this juncture. [Interruption.] I shall come to those reasons later. It is quite clear that on a very important Measure the Government have moved to report Progress although 20 minutes of Parliamentary time were still available. During those 20 minutes we could have discussed at least one of the Amendments on Clause 7, many of which will, inevitably, and in the nature of things, go without any discussion to-morrow. There are many Amendments to this Clause dealing with all sorts of matters and the 20 minutes might have been devoted, for instance, to discussing the question of the co-operative funds invested in land. That time might have been devoted to some other important subject which will probably be left undiscussed on a future day—

Photo of Mr James Sexton Mr James Sexton , St Helens

On a point of Order. May I ask what we have done to deserve this?

Photo of Mr Charles Williams Mr Charles Williams , Torquay

At any rate, some people have been knighted for listening to me. There are other reasons why we ought not to report Progress. It is quite clear that, at some time of the day, before we can honestly say that we are reporting Progress—

Photo of Mr James Ede Mr James Ede , South Shields

On a point of Order. May I draw your attention to the fact that the Guillotine Motion includes this Clause: On an allotted day, no dilatory Motion with respect to those proceedings, nor Motion that the Chairman do report Progress or do leave the Chair, nor Motion to postpone a Clause, nor Motion to re-commit the Bill, shall be received unless moved by the Government, and the Question on such Motion, if moved by the Government, shall be put forthwith without any Debate.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I understand that that Motion refers to the allotted business on that particular day. The allotted business of this day was finished at 10.30 p.m.

Photo of Captain Harry Crookshank Captain Harry Crookshank , Gainsborough

On a point of Order. I am wanting your Ruling arising out of what the hon. Gentleman has just read from the Order governing the Guillotine. The last paragraph of it says: Nothing in this Order shall—

  1. (a) prevent any proceedings which under this Order are to be concluded on any particular day being concluded on any other day or necessitate any particular day or part of a particular day being given to any such proceedings if those proceedings have been otherwise disposed of."
I want to ask whether it is in order not only to discuss the Motion to report Progress now, but also, if it is negatived, to carry on, as the Finance Bill is exempted business, with Clauses 7 and S, because the Guillotine Motion says that the limit is only set for the time at which the proceedings on Clauses 7 and 8 have to come to an end, and nothing is said about when they may start.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The Motion now before the House does not refer to any business set down for this day. The point before the House is the Motion that I should report Progress and ask leave to sit again.

Photo of Captain Harry Crookshank Captain Harry Crookshank , Gainsborough

I quite appreciate that we cannot go back on anything that the House has settled, but in order to make the Motion to report Progress one which we can discuss, we should be able to take into account whether, if it is negatived, we may or may not go on to the next Clause.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I have indicated already that if this Motion is carried, I shall report to the Speaker.

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN:

Have you not already ruled that if this Motion to report Progress is rejected by the House, the House will then be at liberty to go on discussing Clause 7?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I have ruled that, if the Motion before the Committee is rejected, we can go on.

Photo of Mr Arnold Townend Mr Arnold Townend , Stockport

On a point of Order. In view of the fact that the business before the House with respect to the Finance Bill has now been completed, does it not follow that the Motion to report Progress has no relation to the Finance Bill, and should be put at 11 o'clock?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The Motion to report Progress does not relate to the business that came to an end at 10.30. That business was disposed of at 10.30. There was a lapse of time between then and 11 o'clock, and if this Motion is defeated, we can go on, as it is exempted business.

Photo of Mr James Edmunds Mr James Edmunds , Cardiff East

On a point of Order. In the Resolution allotting the time for the Finance Bill, Clauses 1 and 2, and Clauses 3 to 6 are allotted to the first day, and Clauses 7 and 8 to the second day. Does the second allotted day start this evening if the Motion before the House is rejected?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

If the Committee finish with the business before the time laid down, they can proceed with the next Clause.

Photo of Mr James Marley Mr James Marley , St Pancras North

In view of the fact that the business on the Order Paper for the day finished automatically at 10.30, and the business now, namely, whether you shall report Progress or not is not exempted business, does not that come under the Standing Order which says that the House shall stand adjourned at Eleven o'Clock?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The Motion before the House is that I shall report Progress, and that has relation to the Finance Bill.

Photo of Mr Charles Williams Mr Charles Williams , Torquay

I was endeavouring to explain when I was interrupted that we could well use the time which we have now at our disposal to discuss the important financial part of the Bill which comes after Clause 6. [HON. MEMBEES: "Divide!"] Unless the Government can produce some good reason why—[HON. MEMBERS: "Divide!"] I think that it is essential that every minute of the time of this House—

Mr. MACLEAN:

I wish to ask for your Ruling on this point. You have stated that in the event of this Motion being defeated we could then go on, as this is exempted business. The Guillotine Motion puts an end to the first day's progress on the Bill. It states explicitly that the first day's business ends at 10.30, and that the second day's business will be occupied with Clauses 7 and 8. I wish to ask whether, in the event of this Motion being defeated, any other business can be brought forward, and if so, what business other than the business we have discussed?

Photo of Mr Ernest Brown Mr Ernest Brown , Leith

Is it not a fact that the Guillotine Resolution did not decide what the hon. Member has said, but decided as to the compartments of the Bill on which discussion should end at 10.30?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

That is what I have said to the Committee several times. The Guillotine Resolution determines the time at which discussion on certain portions of the Bill will come to an end, but that does not prevent the Committee from proceeding with the Finance Bill. The Finance Bill is exempted business, and no provision has been made in relation to that.

Mr. MACLEAN:

I wish to draw attention to the fact that the House has already decided that the business on the second allotted day will be the discussion of Clauses 7 and 8. If this Motion is defeated that does not mean the defeat of the previous Resolution of the House to take Clauses 7 and 8 upon the second allotted day. If this Resolution were defeated I submit that we could not take Clause 7 to-night, and would require, under the decision of the House, to wait until to-morrow.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

Certain times were fixed at which to bring to an end discussions on particular sections of the Bill. At those times the Question is put upon the business before the Committee. Should we get to the end of a particular section before the time fixed, we could go on to the next section. That is my Ruling.

Mr. MACLEAN:

With all due deference to your Ruling I wish to say that the House has already taken a decision upon this matter, and that that decision cannot be overruled in Committee or by any Chairman except with the consent of the Committee. [HON. MEMBERS: "Order!"] I wish to say, with all due respect, that the Chairman, as well as other Members of the Committee, is bound by the decisions of the House. The Standing Orders are the decisions of the House, which the Chairman administers, and the decision of the House has already been taken as to what business is to be considered upon the second allotted day. If this Motion were defeated the second allotted day's business would still be commencing with Clause 7, and that could not be discussed to-night. I respectfully ask if you can quote any precedent for this particular Ruling.

Photo of Mr Ernest Brown Mr Ernest Brown , Leith

Further to that point of Order. Is it not clear that a great part of the procedure of the House has nothing to do with decisions of the House but with decisions of the Chair?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The Chairman has to interpret what has been decided by the House. The last portion of the Guillotine Resolution reads: Nothing in this Order shall prevent any other business being proceeded with on any particular day, or part of a particular day, in accordance with the Standing Orders of the House, after any proceedings to be concluded under this Order on that particular day, or part of a particular day, have been disposed of.The business to be concluded to-day was disposed of and the continuance of the business is "other business.

Mr. MACLEAN:

rose

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I have given my decision, and the Committee must accept it.

Mr. MACLEAN:

rose

HON. MEMBERS:

Name.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I have given my Ruling and that is the end of it.

Photo of Sir Patrick Ford Sir Patrick Ford , Edinburgh North

On a point of Order. When you have stated your definite Ruling time, on a point of Order, is it in order to go back upon that Ruling? Surely that is a waste of the time of the Committee.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

That is not a point of Order.

Mr. MACLEAN:

On a point of Order—

HON. MEMBERS:

Name!

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

It must be a different point of Order from the last one which was put by the hon. Member.

Mr. MACLEAN:

My point of Order is on your Ruling, Mr. Chairman, in regard to the portion of the Guillotine Motion which you quoted against me. It says: Nothing in this Order shall prevent any other business being proceeded with. When a particular Measure which has been before the House has passed its allotted period this House then proceeds to "other business." The other business is Orders Nos. 2, 3, and 4 on the Order Paper. I submit that that is the meaning that was intended when this particular Guillotine Motion was granted and that is the interpretation which should be placed upon it.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I interpret it as meaning any other business apart from the business that was to be finished at 10.30. This in exempted business.

Photo of Mr Charles Williams Mr Charles Williams , Torquay

I apologise most sincerely if my remarks may seem disconnected, but my only wish is to try to persuade the Government to use this time to give us a further chance of discussing this important Measure, and I would ask the Government to meet us on that point.

Photo of Mr Thomas Kennedy Mr Thomas Kennedy , Kirkcaldy District of Burghs

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 232; Noes, 166.

Division No. 283.]AYES.[11.22 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West)Brooke, W.Edge, Sir William
Adamson, W. M. (Staff Cannock)Brothers, M.Edmunds, J. E.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. ChristopherBrown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield)Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)
Altchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M.Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (South Ayrshire)Edwards, E. (Morpeth)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro')Brown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West)Egan, W. H.
Alpass, J. H.Buchanan, G.Elmley, Viscount
Ammon, Charles GeorgeBurgess, F. G.Freeman, Peter
Angell, Sir NormanBurgin, Dr. E. L.Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)
Arnott, JohnCalne, Hall-, DerwentGeorge, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke)
Aske, Sir RobertCameron, A. G.Gibbins, Joseph
Ayles, WalterCarter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.)Gibson, H. M. (Lancs, Mossley)
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston)Charleton, H. C.Gill, T. H.
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley)Chater, DanielGillett, George M.
Barnes, Alfred JohnCluse, W. S.Glassey, A. E.
Barr, JamesClynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Gossling, A. G.
Benn, Rt. Hon. WedgwoodCocks, Frederick SeymourGraham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)
Bennett, William (Battersea, South)Compton, JosephGraham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.)
Benson, G.Cripps, Sir StaffordGray, Milner
Bevan, Aneul (Ebbw Vale)Daggar, GeorgeGreenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne)
Birkett, W. NormanDallas, GeorgeGrenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)
Bowen, J. W.Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd)Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)Grundy, Thomas W.
Broad, Francis AlfredDenman, Hon. R. D.Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil)
Brockway, A. FennerDukes, C.Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel)
Bromfield, WilliamDuncan, CharlesHall, Capt. W. P. (Portsmouth, C.)
Bromley, J.Ede, James ChuterHamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn)
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland)Mansfield, W.Sherwood, G. H.
Hardie, G. D. (Springburn)Marcus, M.Shield, George William
Hastings, Dr. SomervilleMarley, J.Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Haycock, A. W.Marshall, FredShillaker, J. F.
Henderson, Arthur, Junr, (Cardiff, S.)Mathers, GeorgeSimmons, C. J.
Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow)Matters, L. W.Sinkinson, George
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield)Maxton, JamesSitch, Charles H.
Hicks, Ernest GeorgeMesser, FredSmith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth)Middleton, G.Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Hirst, W. (Bradford, South)Mills, J. E.Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Hoffman, P. C.Milner, Major J.Smith, Tom (Pontefract)
Hollins, A.Montague, FrederickSmith, W. R. (Norwich)
Hopkin, DanielMorgan, Dr. H. B.Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
Hunter, Dr. JosephMorley, RalphSorensen, R.
Isaacs, GeorgeMorrison, Rt. Hon. K. (Hackney, S.)Stamford, Thomas W.
Jenkins, Sir WilliamMorrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.)Stephen, Campbell
John, William (Rhondda, West)Mort, D. L.Strauss, G. R.
Johnston, Rt. Hon. ThomasMuff, G.Sullivan, J.
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Muggeridge, H. T.Sutton, J. E.
Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W.Murnin, HughTaylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. (Preston)Nathan, Major H. L.Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford)Naylor, T. E.Tillett, Ben
Kelly, W. T.Oldfield, J. R.Tinker, John Joseph
Kennedy, Rt. Hon. ThomasOliver, George Harold (Ilkeston)Tout, W. J.
Knight, HolfordOliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)Townend, A. E.
Lang, GordonOwen, Major G. (Carnarvon)Vaughan, David
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. GeorgePalin, John HenryViant, S. P.
Law, Albert (Bolton)Paling, WilfridWalkden, A. G.
Law, A. (Rossendale)Palmer, E. T.Walker, J.
Lawrence, SusanParkinson, John Allen (Wigan)Wallace, H. W.
Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge)Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.Watkins, F. C.
Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)Phillips, Dr. MarlonWatson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Leach, W.Pole, Major D. G.Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.)Potts, John S.Wellock, Wilfred
Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)Price, M. P.Welsh, James (Paisley)
Lees, J.Pybus, Percy JohnWelsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Lewis, T. (Southampton)Ramsay, T. B. WilsonWest, F. R.
Lloyd, C. EllisRathbone, EleanorWestwood, Joseph
Logan, David GilbertRaynes, W. R.White, H. G.
Longbottom, A. W.Richards, R.Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Longden, F.Riley, Ben (Dewsbury)Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Lovat-Fraser, J. A.Ritson, J.Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Lunn, WilliamRomeril, H. G.Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Macdonald, Gordon (Ince)Rosbotham, D. S. T.Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
McElwee, A.Rowson, GuyWilson, J. (Oldham)
McEntee, V. L.Salter, Dr. AlfredWilson R. J. (Jarrow)
McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettleston)Samuel Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)Winterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh)
McKinlay, A.Sanders, W. S.Wise, E. F.
MacLaren, AndrewScurr, JohnWood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)Sexton, Sir JamesYoung, R. S. (Islington, North)
MacNeill-Weir, L.Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
McShane, John JamesShepherd, Arthur LewisTELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Mr. Hayes and Mr. Thurtle.
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-ColonelCamphell, E. T.Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.)
Albery, Irving JamesCarver, Major W. H.Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.)
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l., W.)Cautley, Sir Henry S.Ferguson, Sir John
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover)Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)Fermoy, Lord
Atholl, Duchess ofCayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.)Fielden E. B.
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W.Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.)Fison, F. G. Clavering
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Chadwick, Capt. Sir Robert BurtonFord, Sir P. I.
Balfour, Captain H. H. (I. of Thanet)Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston)Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.
Balniel, LordChristie, J. A.Ganzonl, Sir John
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H.Clydesdale, Marquess ofGault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton
Beaumont, M. WCockerill, Brig.-General Sir GeorgeGilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Belterton, Sir Henry B.Colman, N. C. D.Glyn, Major R. G. C.
Bevan, S. J. (Holborn)Colville, Major D. J.Gower, Sir Robert
Blrchall, Major Sir John DearmanCooper, A. DuffGraham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)
Bourne, Captain Robert CroftCourtauld, Major J. S.Greene, W. P. Crawford
Bowater, Col. Sir T. VansittartCourthope, Colonel Sir G. L.Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.Cranborne, ViscountGunston, Captain D. W.
Boyce, LeslieCrichton-Stuart, Lord C.Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)
Brass, Captain Sir WilliamCrookshank, Capt. H. C.Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)
Briscoe, Richard GeorgeCroom-Johnson, R. P.Hammersley, S. S.
Broadbent, Colonel J.Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West)Hanbury, C.
Brown, Ernest (Leith)Dalkeith, Earl ofHannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Nawb'y)Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford)Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)Haslam, Henry C.
Buckingham, Sir H.Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley)
Bullock, Captain MalcolmDuckworth, G. A. V.Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Butler, R. A.Eden, Captain AnthonyHennessy, Major Sir G. R. J.
Butt, Sir AlfredElliot, Major Walter E.Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford)
Cadogan, Major Hon. EdwardEngland, Colonel A.Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S.
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)Oman, Sir Charles William C.Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Hurd, Percy A.Peake, Capt. OsbertStanley, Lord (Fylde)
Inskip, Sir ThomasPenny, Sir GeorgeStanley, Hon. O. (Westmorland)
Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton)Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)Stewart, W. J. (Belfast, South)
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)Perkins, W. R. D.Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Knox, Sir AlfredPeto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Lamb, Sir J. Q.Preston, Sir Walter RuebenThomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Lambert, Ht. Hon. George (S. Molton)Ramsbotham, H.Thompson, Luke
Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R.Rawson, Sir CooperThomson, Sir F.
Latham, H. P. (Scarboro' & Whitby)Reid, David D. (County Down)Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Leigh, Sir John (Clapham)Remer, John R.Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Lelghton, Major B. E. P.Reynolds, Col. Sir JamesTryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Llewellin, Major J. J.Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'te'y)Turton, Robert Hugh
Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. GodfreyRoberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Lockwood, Captain J. H.Ross, Ronald D.Warrender, Sir Victor
Macdonald, Sir M. (Inverness)Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)Wayland, Sir William A.
Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham)Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)Wells, Sydney R.
Makins, Brigadier-General E.Sandeman, Sir N. StewartWilliams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Marjorlbanks, EdwardSavery, S. S.Wilson, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.)
Meller, R. J.Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Merriman, Sir F. BoydShepperson, Sir Ernest WhittomeWolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir JohnWomersley, W. J.
Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B.Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond)Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kine'dfne, C.)Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)Smithers, WaldronTELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Nicholson, O. (Westminster)Somerset, ThomasCaptain Wallace and Captain Margesson.
O'Connor, T. J.Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)

Question put accordingly, "That the Chairman do report Progress, and ask leave to sit again."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 232; Noes, 165.

Division No. 284.]AYES.[11.33 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West)Dukes, C.Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. (Preston)
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock)Duncan, CharlesKedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford)
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. ChristopherEde, James ChuterKelly, W. T.
Aitchlson, Rt. Hon. Craigle M.Edge, Sir WilliamKennedy, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro')Edmunds, J. E.Knight, Holford
Alpass, J. H.Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)Lang, Gordon
Ammon, Charles GeorgeEdwards, E. (Morpeth)Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George
Angell, Sir NormanEgan, W. H.Law, Albert (Bolton)
Arnott, JohnElmley, ViscountLaw, A. (Rossendale)
Aske, Sir RobertEvans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.)Lawrence, Susan
Ayles, WalterFreeman, PeterLawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge)
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston)Gardner, B. W. (West Ham. Upton)Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley)George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke)Leach, W.
Barnes, Alfred JohnGibbins, JosephLee, Frank (Derby, N. E.)
Barr, JamesGibson, H. M. (Lancs. Mossley)Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)
Benn, Rt. Hon. WedgwoodGill, T. H.Lees, J.
Bennett, William (Battersea, South)Gillett, George M.Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Benson, G.Glassey, A. E.Lloyd, C. Ellis
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale)Gossling, A. Q.Logan, David Gilbert
Birkett, W. NormanGraham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)Longbottom, A. W.
Bowen, J. W.Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cant.)Longden, F.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Gray, MilnerLovat-Fraser, J. A.
Broad, Francis AlfredGreenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne).Lunn, William
Brockway, A. FennerGrenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)Macdonald, Gordon (Ince)
Bromfield, WilliamGrundy, Thomas W.Mac Donald, Rt. Hon. J. R, (Seaham)
Bromley, J.Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil)McElwee, A.
Brooke, W.Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel)McEntee, V. L.
Brothers, M.Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.)McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettleston)
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield)Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn)McKinlay, A.
Brown, Rt. Hon. J, (South Ayrshire)Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland)MacLaren, Andrew
Brown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West)Hardie, G. D. (Springburn)Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Buchanan, G.Hastings, Dr. SomervilleMacNeill-Weir, L.
Burgess, F. G.Haycock, A. W.McShane, John James
Burgin, Dr. E. L.Henderson, Arthur, Junr, (Cardiff, S.)Mansfield, W.
Calne, Hall-, DerwentHenderson, Thomas (Glasgow)Marcus, M.
Cameron, A. G.Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield)Marley, J.
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.)Hicks, Ernest GeorgeMarshall, Fred
Charleton, H. C.Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth)Mathers, George
Chater, DanielHirst, W. (Bradford, South)Matters, L. W.
Cluse, W. S.Hoffman, P. C.Maxton, James
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Hollins, A.Messer, Fred
Cocks, Frederick SeymourHopkin, DanielMiddleton, G.
Compton, JosephHunter, Dr. JosephMills, J. E.
Cripps, Sir StaffordIsaacs, GeorgeMilner, Major J.
Daggar, GeorgeJenkins, Sir WilliamMontague, Frederick
Dallas, GeorgeJohn, William (Rhondda, West)Morgan, Dr. H. B.
Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd)Johnston, Rt. Hon. ThomasMorley, Ralph
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.)
Denman, Hon. R. D.Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W.Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.)
Mort, D. L.Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)Townend, A. E.
Muff, G.Sanders, W. S.Vaughan, David
Muggeridge, H. T.Scurr, JohnViant, S. P.
Wurnin, HughSexton, Sir JamesWalkden, A. G.
Nathan, Major H. L.Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)Walker, J.
Naylor, T. E.Shepherd, Arthur LewisWallace, H. W.
Oldfield, J. R.Sherwood, G. H.Watkins, F. C.
Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston)Shield, George WilliamWatson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)Shiels, Dr. DrummondWatts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon)Shillaker, J. F.Wellock, Wilfred
Palin, John HenrySimmons, C. J.Welsh, James (Paisley)
Paling, WilfridSinkinson, GeorgeWelsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Palmer, E. T.Sitch, Charles H.West, F. R.
Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)Westwood, Joseph
Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)White, H. G.
Phillips, Dr. MarionSmith, Rennie (Penistone)Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Pole, Major D. G.Smith, Tom (Pontefract)Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Potts, John S.Smith, W. R. (Norwich)Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Price, M. P.Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Pybus, Percy JohnSorensen, R.Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Ramsay, T. B. WilsonStamford, Thomas W.Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Rathbone, EleanorStephen, CampbellWilson R. J. (Jarrow)
Raynes, W. R.Strauss, G. R.Winterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Richards, R.Sullivan, J.Wise, E. F.
Riley, Ben (Dewsbury)Sutton, J. E.Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Ritson, J.Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Romeril, H. G.Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Rosbotham, D. S. T.Tillett, BenTELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Rowson, GuyTinker, John JosephMr. Hayes and Mr. Thurtle.
Salter, Dr. AlfredTout, W. J.
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-ColonelDavies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)Marjoribanks, Edward
Albery, Irving JamesDavison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)Melier, R. J.
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l., W.)Duckworth, G. A. V.Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover)Eden, Captain AnthunyMonsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B.
Atholl, Duchess ofElliot, Major Walter E.Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond)
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W.England, Colonel A.Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.)Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)
Balfour, Captain H. H. (I. of Thanet)Ferguson, Sir JohnNicholson, O. (Westminster)
Balniel, LordFermoy, LordO'Connor, T. J.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H.Fielden, E. B.Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Beaumont, M. W.Fison, F. G. ClaveringPeake, Capt. Osbert
Betterton, Sir Henry B.Ford, Sir P. J.Penny, Sir George
Bevan, S. J. (Holborn)Ganzonl, Sir JohnPercy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Birchall, Major Sir John DearmanGault, Lieut.-Col. A. HamiltonPerkins, W. R. D.
Bourne, Captain Robert CroftGilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir JohnPeto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. VansittartGlyn, Major R. G. C.Preston, Sir Walter Rueben
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.Gower, Sir RobertRamsbotham, H.
Boyce, LeslieGraham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)Rawson, Sir Cooper
Brass, Captain Sir WilliamGreene, W. P. CrawfordReid, David D. (County Down)
Briscoe, Richard GeorgeGretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. JohnRenter, John R.
Broadbent, Colonel J.Gunston, Captain D. W.Reynolds, Col. Sir James
Brown, Ernest (Leith)Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'te'y)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y)Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.Hammersley, S. S.Ross, Ronald D.
Buckingham, Sir H.Hanbury, C.Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Bullock, Captain MalcolmHannon, Patrick Joseph HenrySamuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Butler, R. A.Harvey, Mejor S. E. (Devon, Totnes)Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Butt, Sir AlfredHaslam, Henry C.Savery, S. S.
Cadogan, Major Hon. EdwardHenderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley)Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Campbell, E. T.Heneage, Lieut.-Col Arthur P.Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Carver, Major W. H.Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J.Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Cautley, Sir Henry S.Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford)Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S.Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth. S.)Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.)Hurd, Percy A.Smithers, Waldron
Chadwick, Capt. Sir Robert BurtonInksip, Sir ThomasSomerset, Thomas
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston)Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton)Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Christie, J. A.Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Clydesdale, Marquess ofKnox, Sir AlfredStanley, Lord (Fylde)
Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir GeorgeLamb, Sir J. Q.Stanley, Hon. O. (Westmorland)
Colman, N. C. D.Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton)Stewart, W. J. (Belfast South)
Colville, Major D. J.Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R.Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Cooper, A. DuffLatham, H. P. (Scarboro' & Whitby)Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Courtauld, Major J. S.Leigh, Sir John (Clapham)Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L.Lelghton, Major B. E. P.Thompson, Luke
Cranborne, ViscountLlewellin, Major J. J.Thomson, Sir F.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C.Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. GodfreyThomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Crookshank, Capt. H. C.Locker-Lampion, Com. O. (Handsw'th)Titchfield, Major the Marques of
Croom-Johnson, R. P.Lockwood, Captain J. H.Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West)Macdonald, Sir M. (Inverness)Turton, Robert Hugh
Dalkeith, Earl ofMaitland, A. (Kent, Faversham)Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford)Makins, Brigadier-General E.Warrender, Sir Victor
Wayland, Sir William A.Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Wells, Sydney R.Womersley, W. J.TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Williams, Charles (Davon, Torquay)Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir KingsleyCaptain Margesson and Captain Wallace.
Wilton, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.)Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl

Committee report Progress; to sit again To-morrow.