Oral Answers to Questions — Unemployment. – in the House of Commons at on 12 March 1924.
Sir William Mitchell-Thomson
, Croydon South
asked the Minister of Labour (1) whether he can state the estimated extra charge upon the fund consequent upon the issue by him of instructions that the non-statutory limitations upon the payment of uncovenanted unemployment benefit to ex-enemy and other aliens are to be abolished;
(2) whether he has issued an instruction to local committees that, in considering claims to uncovenanted unemployment benefit, they are, in the case of any person who satisfies the statutory conditions, to pay no regard to the applicant's private income or to the total income of the household of which the applicant is a member; and what is the estimated extra charge upon the fund involved by this instruction?
Mr Thomas Shaw
, Preston
The effect of the revised directions to local employment committees issued by me was fully explained in the Debate last Monday. The increased amount, of unemployment benefit which will in consequence be paid out of the Unemployment Fund in the period up to next October, is estimated at between £2,000,000 and £4,000,000, as stated by the Prime Minister in the House on 12th February. I am afraid I cannot give separate figures for the different classes of persons affected.
Sir William Mitchell-Thomson
, Croydon South
Does that mean that the right hon. Gentleman has no exact data, but that he is merely making a shot at the amount, and that it might just as easily be £6,000,000 or £8,000,000?
Mr Thomas Shaw
, Preston
It means that the Government Actuary has been asked to make out an estimate, that I have to give his figures, and that, whatever the figures are, it must be remembered that the amounts paid will be paid from the Insurance Fund.
Mr John Remer
, Macclesfield
Will that increase the overdraft which the Government have at present?
Mr Thomas Shaw
, Preston
There is no estimate that anything of the kind will be done. As a matter of fact, in spite of the extensive unemployment, money was being paid off from the overdraft.
Sir Henry Betterton
, Rushcliffe
Will the right hon. Gentleman give instructions that his own Order, and those of his predecessors relating to this matter, shall be placed in the Vote Office, so that Members can see them?
Mr Thomas Shaw
, Preston
I have not the slightest objection to taking that course.
Sir William Mitchell-Thomson
, Croydon South
I want to give the right hon. Gentleman fair notice, so that there can be no question of a snap Division. [Interruption.]
Mr John Whitley
, Halifax
Does the hon. Baronet desire to give notice to the House?
Sir William Mitchell-Thomson
, Croydon South
Yes. Sir. I desire to give the right hon. Gentleman and the House notice, in order that there may be no question afterwards of a snap Division, that at the first Parliamentary opportunity the House will be asked to condemn his action, which has the effect of making it possible for this benefit to be claimed by aliens.
Mr James Gardner
, Hammersmith North
asked the Minister of Labour whether he will cause to be displayed in the Employment Exchanges large notices in simple language explaining the new provisions respecting the administration of uncovenanted benefit and the change in the law with regard to the gap, in order that workmen may know exactly what benefits they are entitled to and how they can obtain them?
Mr Thomas Shaw
, Preston
I doubt whether it is necessary to exhibit these notices as I believe the changes referred to are generally known.
Mr James Gardner
, Hammersmith North
Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that the workmen are not getting the information which will help them to realise what is the benefit to which they are entitled?
Mr Thomas Shaw
, Preston
If any information can be conveyed to me as to where workmen are suffering, or if any suggestion can be made for bringing nearer the time when the men will know exactly what the conditions are, I will consider the whole matter.
Mr John Remer
, Macclesfield
Can the right hon. Gentleman say what will be the cost of these proposals?
Mr Thomas Shaw
, Preston
As I have given an answer twice to-day, I think the third time would be superfluous.
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