– in the House of Commons at on 17 July 1923.
Mr. J. RAMSAY MacDONALD:
Would the Prime Minister tell us how far he proposes to go to-night with the Orders of the Day?
I hope the first six Orders.
No. I beg pardon. I am obliged to the hon. Gentleman for calling my attention to that. I am only proposing to take Votes 14 and 15, to sanction certain expenditure which I believe to be necessary.
Do the Government propose to proceed with the proposals in certain Scottish Education Bills from the House of Lords? As my right hon. Friend probably knows, there is a good deal of opposition from all quarters of the House to those Bills.
I understand that considerable opposition has been manifested.
May I draw attention to the late position on the Order Paper of the Supply Votes, and will the right hon. Gentleman see that Supply is put down so that we may reasonably expect it to be taken at an earlier hour?
I am not clear what the hon. and gallant Member's point is, but the Votes put down for to-night are merely to sanction certain expenditure.
That is exactly my point. Will the right hon. Gentleman see in future that we are not asked to sanction expenditure at a late hour of the night, especially in view of the financial situation of the country?
I am sure the hon. and gallant Member will observe that this is the Report stage of these Votes, which have already been discussed in Committee.
Captain BENN:
With reference to the Education (Scotland) Bill, I presume it is only the Second Reading that is to be taken to-night?
Certainly.
Division No. 292.] | AYES. | [3.47 p.m. |
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte | Dixon, C. H. (Rutland) | Lamb, J. Q. |
Ainsworth, Captain Charles | Doyle, N. Grattan | Lane-Fox, Lieut.-Colonel G. R. |
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton, East) | Du Pre, Colonel William Baring | Lloyd-Greame, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip |
Alexander, Col. M. (Southwark) | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) |
Allen, Lieut.-Col. Sir William James | Ednam, Viscount | Lorden, John William |
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. | Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark) | Lorimer, H. D. |
Apsley, Lord | Ellis, R. C. | Lougher, L. |
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Wilfrid W. | England, Lieut.-Colonel A. | Lowe, Sir Francis William |
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W. | Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) | Loyd, Arthur Thomas (Abingdon) |
Astor, Viscountess | Evans, Capt. H. Arthur (Leicester, E.) | Lumley, L. R. |
Baird, Rt. Hon. Sir John Lawrence | Eyres-Monsell, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. M. | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm |
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Falle, Major Sir Bertram Godfrey | McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury) |
Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Fermor-Hesketh, Major T. | Makins, Brigadier-General E. |
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. | Forestier-Walker, L. | Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) |
Barlow, Rt. Hon. Sir Montague | Foxcroft, Captain Charles Talbot | Manville, Edward |
Barnston, Major Harry | Frece, Sir Walter de | Margesson, H. D. R. |
Becker, Harry | Furness, G. J. | Mercer, Colonel H. |
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) | Ganzoni, Sir John | Milne, J. S. Wardlaw |
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Gardiner, James | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) |
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- | Garland, C. S. | Molloy, Major L. G. S. |
Betterton, Henry B. | Gaunt, Rear-Admiral Sir Guy R. | Murchison, C. K. |
Birchall, Major J. Dearman | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Nall, Major Joseph |
Bird, Sir William B. M. (Chichester) | Goff, Sir R. Park | Newman, Colonel J. R. P. (Finchley) |
Blundell, F. N. | Greaves-Lord, Walter | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. | Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.) | Nicholson, Brig.-Gen. J. (Westminster) |
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. | Gretton, Colonel John | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
Brass, Captain W. | Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. | Nield, Sir Herbert |
Brassey, Sir Leonard | Gwynne, Rupert S. | Norton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John |
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Hugh |
Briggs, Harold | Hall, Rr-Adml Sir W. (Liv'p'l, W. D'by) | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
Brittain, Sir Harry | Halstead, Major D. | Paget, T. G. |
Brown, Major D. C. (Hexham) | Hamilton, Sir George C. (Altrincham) | Parker, Owen (Kettering) |
Brown, Brig.-Gen. Clifton (Newbury) | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Pease, William Edwin |
Brown, J. W. (Middlesbrough, E.) | Harrison, F. C. | Pennefather, De Fonblanque |
Bruford, R. | Harvey, Major S. E. | Penny, Frederick George |
Bruton, Sir James | Hawke, John Anthony | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) |
Buckingham, Sir H. | Hay, Major T. W. (Norfolk, South) | Perkins, Colonel E. K. |
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Perring, William George |
Burn, Colonel Sir Charles Rosdew | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. | Peto, Basil E. |
Butcher, Sir John George | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Phillipson, Mabel |
Butler, H. M. (Leeds, North) | Herbert, S. (Scarborough) | Pielou, D. P. |
Button, H. S. | Hewett, Sir J. P. | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
Cadogan, Major Edward | Hiley, Sir Ernest | Raeburn, Sir William H. |
Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) | Raine, W. |
Cassels, J. D. | Hood, Sir Joseph | Rankin, Captain James Stuart |
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) | Hopkins, John W. W. | Rawson, Lieut.-Com. A. C. |
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin) | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Rees, Sir Beddoe |
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm., W.) | Houfton, John Plowright | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) |
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Howard, Capt. D. (Cumberland, N.) | Rentoul, G. S. |
Chapman, Sir S. | Howard-Bury, Lieut.-Col. C. K. | Reynolds, W. G. W. |
Clarry, Reginald George | Hudson, Capt. A. | Rhodes, Lieut.-Col. J. P. |
Clayton, G. C. | Hughes, Collingwood | Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich) |
Cobb, Sir Cyril | Hume, G. H. | Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) |
Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. | Hurd, Percy A. | Robertson-Despencer, Major (Islgtn, W.) |
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips | Hurst, Gerald B. | Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs, Stretford) |
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale | Hutchison, G. A. C. (Midlothian, N.) | Rogerson, Capt. J. E. |
Cope, Major William | Hutchison, W. (Kelvingrove) | Roundell, Colonel R. F. |
Craig, Captain C. C. (Antrim, South) | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Ruggles-Brise, Major E. |
Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
Croft, Lieut.-Colonel Henry Page | James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert | Russell, William (Bolton) |
Crook, C. W. (East Ham, North) | Jenkins, W. A. (Brecon and Radnor) | Russell-Wells, Sir Sydney |
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Jephcott, A. R. | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) |
Curzon, Captain Viscount | Jodrell, Sir Neville Paul | Sanders, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert A. |
Davidson, J. C. C. (Hemel Hempstead) | Joynson-Hicks, Sir William | Sandon, Lord |
Davies, Alfred Thomas (Lincoln) | Kelley, Major Sir Frederick A. | Shepperson, E. W. |
Davies, Thomas (Cirencester) | Kennedy, Captain M. S. Nigel | Simpson-Hinchliffe, W. A. |
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | King, Capt. Henry Douglas | Skelton, A. N. |
Dixon, Capt. H. (Belfast, E.) | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) |
Spears, Brig.-Gen. E. L. | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement | Wise, Frederick |
Spender-Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. | Tubbs, S. W. | Wolmer, Viscount |
Stanley, Lord | Turton, Edmund Russborough | Wood, Rt. Hn. Edward F. L. (Ripon) |
Steel, Major S. Strang | Wallace, Captain E. | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
Stewart, Gershom (Wirral) | Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull) | Wood, Maj. Sir S. Hill- (High Peak) |
Stockton, Sir Edwin Forsyth | Ward, Col. J. (Stoke-upon-Trent) | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
Stott, Lt.-Col. W. H. | Waring, Major Walter | Yate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward |
Stuart, Lord C. Crichton- | Watts, Dr. T. (Man., Withington) | Yerburgh, R. D. T. |
Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser | Wells, S. R. | |
Sugden, Sir Wilfrid H. | Weston, Colonel John Wakefield | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) | White, Lt.-Col. G. D. (Southport) | Colonel Leslie Wilson and Colonel |
Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George | the Rt. Hon. G. A. Gibbs. |
Titchfield, Marquess of | Winterton, Earl | |
NOES. | ||
Adams, D. | Hayes, John Henry (Edge Hill) | Ponsonby, Arthur |
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (N'castle, E.) | Potts, John S. |
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Pringle, W. M. R. |
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') | Herriotts, J. | Richards, R. |
Attlee, C. R. | Hill, A. | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) |
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hillary, A. E. | Riley, Ben |
Barnes, A. | Hinds, John | Ritson, J. |
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar (Banff) | Hirst, G. H. | Roberts, C. H. (Derby) |
Batey, Joseph | Hodge, Rt. Hon. John | Robinson, W. C. (York, Elland) |
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Hutchison, Sir R. (Kirkcaldy) | Rose, Frank H. |
Bonwick, A. | Irving, Dan | Salter, Dr. A. |
Brotherton, J. | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Sexton, James |
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Johnston, Thomas (Stirling) | Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock) |
Buckie, J. | Johnstone, Harcourt (Willesden, East) | Shaw, Thomas (Preston) |
Burgess, S. | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Shinwell, Emanuel |
Buxton, Charles (Accrington) | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) | Jones, R. T. (Carnarvon) | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John |
Clarke, Sir E. C. | Jowett, F. W. (Bradford, East) | Simpson, J. Hope |
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. | Sitch, Charles H. |
Collie, Sir John | Kenyon, Barnet | Smith, T. (Pontefract) |
Collison, Levi | Kirkwood, D. | Snell, Harry |
Cotts, Sir William Dingwall Mitchell | Lambert, Rt. Hon. George | Snowden, Philip |
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Lansbury, George | Spencer, George A. (Broxtowe) |
Darbishire, C. W. | Lawson, John James | Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K. |
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Leach, W. | Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) |
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) | Lee, F. | Strauss, Edward Anthony |
Dudgeon, Major C. R. | Lees-Smith, H. B. (Keighley) | Sturrock, J. Leng |
Duffy, T. Gavan | Linfield, F. C. | Sullivan, J. |
Ede, James Chuter | Lowth, T. | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
Edmonds, G. | Lyle-Samuel, Alexander | Thornton, M. |
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) | McCurdy, Rt. Hon. Charles A. | Trevelyan, C. P. |
Emlyn-Jones, J. E. (Dorset, N.) | MacDonald, J. R. (Aberavon) | Turner, Ben |
Entwistle, Major C. F. | M'Entee, V. L. | Wellhead, Richard C. |
Falconer, J. | McLaren, Andrew | Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince) |
Fildes, Henry | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Warne, G. H. |
Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. | Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. | Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) |
Foot, Isaac | March, S. | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
Gosling, Harry | Martin, F. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, E.) | Webb, Sidney |
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central) | Millar, J. D. | Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C. |
Gray, Frank (Oxford) | Morel, E. D. | Weir, L. M. |
Greenall, T. | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) | Westwood, J. |
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Mosley, Oswald | Whiteley, W. |
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Muir, John W. | Williams, David (Swansea, E.) |
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Murnin, H. | Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly) |
Grundy, T. W. | Murray, John (Leeds, West) | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
Hall, F. (York, W. R. Normanton) | Murray, R. (Renfrew, Western) | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Connor, Thomas P. | Wintringham, Margarel |
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | O'Grady, Captain James | Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.) |
Hancock, John George | Oliver, George Harold | Wright, W. |
Harbord, Arthur | Paling, W. | Young, Rt. Hon. E. H. (Norwich) |
Hardie, George D. | Parker, H. (Hanley) | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
Hay, Captain J. P. (Cathcart) | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) | |
Hayday, Arthur | Pattinson, S. (Horncastle) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
Mr. Spears and Mr. Lunn. |
Question put, and agreed to.