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– in the House of Commons on 10th July 1922.

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Photo of Mr Donald Maclean Mr Donald Maclean , Peebles and Southern

I wish to ask the Prime Minister a question as to the Notice of Motion standing in his name for the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule. Does he intend to move that Motion in view of the fact that last week on two nights no fewer than 19 Orders were taken? At least nine of the Second Readings were taken after 11 o'clock. In view of that progress, and the strong objection of a large part of the House to have these small Bills fired at them without any adequate notice, is it proposed to proceed with the Motion?

Photo of Mr David Lloyd George Mr David Lloyd George , Caernarvon District of Boroughs

I trust that the House will assent to the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule. The Orders referred to were of a purely non-controversial character. [HON. MEMBERS: "No!"] My recollection is that there was hardly any discussion on them; they were accepted by all sections of the House. There are certain Orders which it is necessary we should get through to-day. The first will take some time to discuss, and then there are two or three other Orders which I hope it will be possible to press through afterwards.

Photo of Mr Donald Maclean Mr Donald Maclean , Peebles and Southern

Will the Prime Minister tell us what Orders he intends us to take to-night, and will he kindly note the fact that some of us would require to debate, not by way of disagreement, but by way of explanation, Nos. 4, the Allotments (Scotland) Bill, and 5, the Railway and Canal Commissions (Consents) Bill I There are one or two, possibly two or three, Reports of Supply which we might advance a stage, but these other matters really do require discussion.

Photo of Mr David Lloyd George Mr David Lloyd George , Caernarvon District of Boroughs

With regard to the Orders referred to by my right hon. Friend, Nos. 4 and 5, it is not proposed to take them if it is late.

Photo of Mr David Lloyd George Mr David Lloyd George , Caernarvon District of Boroughs

Of course, we will not press them unless the House really desires to go on, but I think we are all anxious to get away early. If it is impossible to advance these, the Government is anxious to advance Nos. 18, Government of Northern Ireland (Loan Guarantee) Bill; 19, Public Works Loans (Remission of Debts); and 20, Public Works Loans Bill, another stage if possible.

Photo of Mr Frederick Banbury Mr Frederick Banbury , City of London

May I suggest that if, as the right hon. Gentleman suggests, Members are all desirous of getting away early, the best way to effect that would be not to bring in any more Bills?

Photo of Mr David Lloyd George Mr David Lloyd George , Caernarvon District of Boroughs

I find myself very much in agreement with the right hon. Baronet almost for the first time. I have been urging that consideration upon the Departments, but he knows perfectly well that the Departments always press for certain Bills, and say that these are quite essential in order to carry out Departmental work. That is the reason why these Bills are introduced, and that is the struggle which goes on every year, as the right hon. Gentleman is well aware.

Photo of Mr Frederick Banbury Mr Frederick Banbury , City of London

I am also well aware of the great authority which the right hon. Gentleman possesses over the Cabinet, and I am quite certain that if he would exercise it these Bills would disappear.

Photo of Mr David Lloyd George Mr David Lloyd George , Caernarvon District of Boroughs

My right hon. Friend's information is absolutely wrong.

Photo of Mr William Ormsby-Gore Mr William Ormsby-Gore , Stafford

Is it intended to take No. 7, Places of Worship (Enfranchisement) Bill?

Dr. MURRAY:

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the first Bill down for consideration to-day—the Economy (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill—really contains about half-a-dozen Bills, each of them controversial and each of which would require a whole day?

Photo of Mr David Lloyd George Mr David Lloyd George , Caernarvon District of Boroughs

I am perfectly aware that everybody is in favour of economy, until you come to put it into application, and then everybody has an important objection to some part of the proposals?

Photo of Mr John Gretton Mr John Gretton , Burton

Will the right hon. Gentleman inform the House how long he proposes to keep us to-night with the suspension of the Rule?

Photo of Mr David Lloyd George Mr David Lloyd George , Caernarvon District of Boroughs

That is a very undesirable question to answer, because if I gave an answer to that I do not think it would tend to expedite the business. There is no desire on the part of anybody to stay up very late, and I hope my hon. Friends will help the

Government to get through the necessary business.

Photo of Mr John Gretton Mr John Gretton , Burton

Can the right hon. Gentleman state what he means by" very late"? The other night the Government said they were not going to keep the House late, and yet they kept us until half-past two. There is a certain flexibility about the phrase "very late."

Motion made, and Question put, That Government Business be exempted, at this clay's sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."— [The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 185; Noes, 55.

Division No. 209.]AYES.[3.55 P.m.
Adair, Rear-Admiral Thomas B. S.Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir JohnMurray, Hon. Gideon (St. Rollox)
Agg-Gardner, Sir James TynteGlyn, Major RalphMurray, John (Leeds, West)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S.Goff, Sir R. ParkNeal, Arthur
Armstrong, Henry BruceGreen, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.)Newson, Sir Percy Wilson
Ashley, Colonel Wilfrid W.Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Sir HamarNicholson, Brig.-Gen. J. (Westminster)
Baird, Sir John LawrenceGreig, Colonel Sir James WilliamNorman, Major Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. StanleyGretton, Colonel JohnOrmsby-Gore, Hon. William
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. Frederick C.Pain, Brig,-Gen. Sir W. Hacket
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G.Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E.Parker, James
Barlow, Sir MontagueGwynne, Rupert S.Pennefather, De Fonblanque
Barnes, Rt. Hon. G. (Glas., Gorbals)Hacking, Captain Douglas H.Perring, William George
Beauchamp, Sir EdwardHall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)Pilditch, Sir Philip
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish-Hall, Rr-Adml Sir W.(Liv'p'l,W.D'by)Pratt, John William
Bethell, Sir John HenryHamilton, Sir George C.Raeburn, Sir William H.
Bird. Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.)Harmon, Patrick Joseph HenryRankin, Captain James Stuart
Blades, Sir George RowlandHarmsworth, C. B. (Bedford, Luton)Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith-Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)Rees, Capt. J. Tudor- (Barnstaple)
Bowyer, Captain G. W. E.Hennessy, Major J. R. G.Remer, J. R.
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William CliveHerbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)Remnant, Sir James
Briggs, HaroldHilder, Lieut.-Colonel FrankRichardson, Sir Alex. (Gravesend)
Broad, Thomas TuckerHills, Major John WallerRichardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. Clifton (Newbury)Hinds, JohnRoberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Bruton, Sir JamesHope, Str H.(Stirling & Cl'ckm'nn'n'W.)Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A.Hope, Lt.-Col. Sir J. A. (Midlothian)Roberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Burdon, Colonel RowlandHopkins, John W. W.Rodger, A. K.
Burn, Col. C. B. (Devon, Torquay)Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley)Roundell, Colonel R. F.
Casey. T. W.Home, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead)Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood)Howard, Major S. G.Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert Arthur
Child, Brigadier-General Sir HillHunter, General Sir A. (Lancaster)Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Coats, Sir StuartHurd, Percy A.Seely, Major-General Rt. Hon. John
Cobb, Sir CyrilHunt, Lieut.-Colonel Gerald B.Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock) *
Colfox, Major Wm. PhillipsJames, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. CuthbertShaw, William T. (Forfar)
Conway, Sir W. MartinJones, Sir Evan (Pembroke)Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.)
Coote, Colin Reith (Isle of Ely)Joynson-Hicks, Sir WilliamSimm, M. T.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities)Kellaway, Rt. Hon Fredk. GeorgeSmithers, Sir Alfred W.
Cowan, Sir H. (Aberdeen and Kinc.)King, Captain Henry DouglasSprot, Colonel Sir Alexander
Cralk, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryLewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales)Stanley, Major Hon. G. (Preston)
Curzon, Captain ViscountLloyd, George ButlerStarkey, Captain John Ralph
Davidson, J. C. C. (Hemel Hempstead)Locker-Lampson G. (Wood Green)Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Dawson, Sir PhilipLocker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'tingd'n)Stewart, Gershom
Dockrell, Sir MauriceLoseby, Captain C. E.Strauss, Edward Anthony
Doyle, N. GrattanMacdonald, Rt. Hon. John MurraySueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon)Mackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachie)Sugden, W. H.
Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark)M'Lean, Lieut.-Col. Charles W. W.Sutherland, Sir William
Erskine, James Malcolm MonteithMcMicking, Major GilbertSykes, Sir Charles (Huddersfield)
Falle, Major Sir Bertram GodfrayMacnaghten, Sir MalcolmTaylor, J.
Fell, Sir ArthurMacnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L.Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I.Thomson, Sir W. Mitchell- (Maryhill)
Fiannery, Sir James ForfescueMalone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.)Thorpe, Captain John Henry
Forrest, WalterMarriott, John Arthur RansomeTickler, Thomas George
Fraser, Major Sir KeithMolson, Major John EisdaleTownley, Maximilian G.
Frece, Sir Walter deMond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred MoritzTryon, Major George Clement
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Moore, Major-General Sir Newton J.Turton, Edmund Russborough
Ganzonl, Sir JohnMorden, Col. W. GrantWallace, J.
Gardiner, JamesMoreing, Captain Algernon H.Walters, Rt. Hon. Sir John Tudor
Gee, Captain RobertMorrison-Bell, Major A. C.Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon Hull)
George, Rt. Hon. David LloydMunro, Rt. Hon. RobertWatson, Captain John Bertrand
Gibbs, Colonel George AbrahamMurray, Rt. Hon. C. D. (Edinburgh)White, Col. G. D. (Southport)
Williams, C. (Tavistock)Wolmer, ViscountYoung, Sir Frederick W. (Swindon)
Wilson, Capt. A. S. (Holderness)Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Windsor, ViscountWood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Winterton, EarlYate, Colonel Sir Charles EdwardColonel Leslie Wilson and Mr.
Wise, FrederickYeo, Sir Alfred WilliamMcCurdy.
NOES.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Francis D.Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton)Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. ChristopherHenderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes)Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich)
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery)Hirst, G. H.Robertson, John
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.)Hodge, Rt. Hon. JohnRose, Frank H.
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith)Holmes, J. StanleyRoyce, William Stapleton
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Irving, DanSexton, James
Briant, FrankJones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown)Spoor, 6. G.
Cape, ThomasJones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin)Kelley, Major Fred (Rotherham)Thorne, W. (West Ham. Plalstow)
dynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Kiley, James DanielWaterson, A. E.
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock)Lyle-Samuel, AlexanderWedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe)Maclean, Rt. Hn. Sir D. (Midlothian)White, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)MacVeagh, JeremiahWignall, James
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)Mills, John EdmundWilson, James (Dudley)
Foot, IsaacMosley, OswaldWintringham, Margaret
Galbraith, SamuelMurray, Hon. A. C. (Aberdeen)Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Gillis, WilliamMurray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross)Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central)Myers, Thomas
Grundy, T. W.Rattan, Peter WilsonTELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. W. Smith and Mr. Hogge.