Clause 2. — (Reduced duties on cocoa.)

Orders of the Day — Finance Bill. – in the House of Commons on 19th June 1922.

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In lieu of the duties of Customs payable on cocoa imported into Great Britain or Ireland there shall, subject to the provisions of Section eight of the Finance Act, 1919, be charged, levied and paid as from the fifteenth day of May, nineteen hundred and twenty-two, the following reduced duties, that is to say:

Cocoa, the cwt.180
Cocoa (husks and shells), the cwt.040
Cocoa-butter, the lb.003

Provided that in the application of this Section to any duty charged on manufactured or prepared goods under Section seven of the Finance Act, 1901, the first day of July, nineteen hundred and twenty-two, shall be substituted for the fifteenth day of May, nineteen hundred red and twenty-two.


I beg to move to leave out "£1 8s. 0d.," and to insert instead thereof "£1 3s. 4d."

The intention was that this Amendment should be taken following a general discussion on a previous Amendment. I wish now merely to make a protest against the conspiracy of silence on the Treasury Bench. There have been 11 speeches from this side of the Committee since the learned Solicitor-General spoke, and I submit that arguments of some weight have been addressed to the Committee, and, although the Debate has gone on for 1½ hours, yet there

has not been any response whatever from the Government side. A matter of importance like this deserves more consideration, and even if speeches be made by back benchers they call for some reply.

Photo of Mr Leslie Scott Mr Leslie Scott , Liverpool Exchange

The last. thing I to do is to be guilty of any discourtesy to any section of Members.


It was not the right hon. Gentleman who was at fault, for he made his speech; but after he had gone the Committee was left for l hours without anyone else speaking.

Photo of Mr Leslie Scott Mr Leslie Scott , Liverpool Exchange

I think the hon. Member will probably exonerate me for what happened when I was not here. I heard the last speech which preceded the Division just taken, and I felt that the only answer possible—probably an imperfect one—was substantially what. I had said on the first Amendment on the Tea Duty Clause. Feeling that I had attempted to cover the ground indicated in the last speech, I thought it would be discourteous for me to repeat what I had already said.

Question put., "That '£1 8s. 0d.' stand part of the Clause."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 171; Noes, 79.

Division No. 144.]AYES.[8.24 p.m.
Adkins, Sir William Ryland DentBarwick, Major G. O.Cheyne, Sir William Watson
Aug-Gardner, Sir James TynteBoscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith-Churchman, Sir Arthur
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S.Bowyer, Captain G. W. E.Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. Spender
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W.Boyd-Carpenter, Major A.Clough, Sir Robert
Atkey, A. R.Breese, Major Charles E.Cobb, Sir Cyril
Baird, Sir John LawrenceBridgeman, Rt. Hon. William CliveCohen, Major J. Brunel
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Briggs, HaroldColvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale
Banner, Sir John S. HarmoodBroad, Thomas TuckerDavies, Sir William H. (Bristol, S.)
Barnett, Major Richard W.Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury)Dewhurst, Lieut.-Commander Harry
Barrand, A. R.Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A.Doyle, N. Grattan
Bartley-Denniss, Sir Edmund RobertCampion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R.Du Pre, Colonel William Baring
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes)Carr, W. TheodoreEdgar, Clifford B.
Bellairs, Commander Canyon W.Carter, R. A. D. (Man., Withington)Edge, Captain Sir William
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W)Casey, T. W.Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon)
Bird, Sir William R. M. (Chichester)Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm.,W.)Elliott, Lt.-Col. Sir G. (Islington,w.)
Blair, Sir ReginaldChamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood)Evans, Ernest
Eyres-Monsell, Com. Bolton M.Kellaway, Rt. Hon. Fredk. GeorgeRawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Fell, Sir ArthurKelley, Major Fred (Rotherham)Richardson, Sir Alex. (Gravesend)
Flannery, Sir James FortescueKidd, JamesRichardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey)
Foreman, Sir HenryKinloch-Cooke, Sir ClementRoberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Forestier-Walker, L.Law, Alfred J. (Rochdale)Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford)
Forrest, WalterLloyd, George ButlerRodger, A. K.
Fraser, Major Sir KeithLorden, John WilliamRutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill)
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.M'Curdy, Rt. Hon. Charles A.Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Ganzoni, Sir JohnM'Donald, Dr. Bouverie F. P.Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Gardner, ErnestMackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachle)Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert Arthur
Gee, Captain RobertMcLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern)Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir JohnMacleod, J. MackintoshScott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange)
Goff, Sir R. ParkMcNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury)Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.)Magnus, Sir PhilipShaw, William T. (Forfar)
Gregory, HolmanMalone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.)Simm, M. T.
Craig, Colonel Sir James WilliamManville, EdwardSmith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South)
Gritten, W. G. HowardMiddlebrook, Sir WilliamStanley, Major Hon. G. (Preston)
Hacking, Captain Douglas H.Mitchell, Sir William LaneSteel, Major S. Strang
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)M arcing, Captain Algernon H.Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Hamilton, Major Sir C. G. C.Murchison, C. K.Sturrock, J. Leng
Hannon, Patrick Joseph HenryMurray, C. D. (Edinburgh)Sugden, W. H.
Haslam, LewisMurray, John (Leeds, West)Surtees, Brigadier-General H. C.
Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston)Neal, ArthurSutherland, Sir William
Hennessy, Major.J. R. G.Newson, Sir Percy WilsonSykes, Sir Charles (Huddersfield)
Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)Taylor, J.
Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel FrankNield, Sir HerbertThornton, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Hills, Major John WallerNorris, Colonel Sir Henry G.Thomson, Sir W. Mitchell- (Maryhill)
Hinds, JohnNorton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir JohnTryon, Major George Clement
Hood, Sir JosephPain, Brig.-Gen. Sir W. HacketTurton, Edmund Russborough
Hope, Sir H. (Stirling & Cl'ckm'nn, W.)Parker, JamesWallace, J.
Hope, Lt.-Col. Sir J. A. (Midlothian)Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas HenryWarren, Sir Alfred H.
Hopkins, John W. W.Pearce, Sir WilliamWilliams, C. (Tavistock)
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Moseley)Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert PikeWilson, Rt. Hon. Col. L. O. (R'ding)
Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford)Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)Winfrey, Sir Richard
Horne, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead)Perring, William GeorgeWise, Frederick
Hunter.-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir AylmerPinkham, Lieut.-Colonel CharlesWolmer, Viscount
Hurst, Lieut.-Colonel Gerald B.Pollock, Rt. Hon. Sir Ernest MurrayWood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Inskip, Thomas Walker H.Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel AsshetonWood. Sir J. (Stalybridge and Hyde)
Jephcott, A. R.Pratt, John WilliamWorsfold, T. Cato
Jodrell, Neville PaulPreston, Sir W. R.
Johnson, Sir StanleyPrescott, Major Sir W. H.TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)Rae, Sir Henry N.Mr. Dudley Ward and Colonel Gibbs.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. WilliamGrundy, T. W.Rose, Frank H.
Ammon, Charles GeorgeGuest, J. (York, W.R., Hemsworth)Royce, William Stapleton
Banton, GeorgeHall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton)Sexton, James
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery)Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)Shaw, Thomas (Preston)
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.)Hayday, ArthurSitch, Charles H.
Barton, Sir William (Oldham)Hayward, EvanSmith, W. R. (Wellingborough)
Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk)Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes)Spencer, George A.
Bramsdon, Sir ThomasHirst, G. H.Spoor, B. G.
Briant, FrankHodge, Rt. Hon. JohnSueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Bromfield, WilliamHogge, James MylesSutton, John Edward
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute)Holmes, J. StanleySwan, J. E.
Cairns, JohnJohn, William (Rhondda, West)Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Cape, ThomasJones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Carter, W. (Nottingham, Mansfield)Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M.Tillett, Benjamin
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin)Lawson. John JamesWalsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Lunn, WilliamWaterson, A. E.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities)Lyle-Samuel, AlexanderWatts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col, D.
Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe)Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Davies, Alfred Thomas (Lincoln)Maclean, Rt. Hn. Sir D. (Midlothian)White, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick)Mills, John EdmundWignall, James
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross)Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Entwistle, Major C. F.Newbould, Alfred ErnestWilson, James (Dudley)
Erskine, James Malcolm MonteithPoison, Sir Thomas A.Wintringham, Margaret
Galbraith, SamuelRaffan, Peter WilsonWood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Gillis, WilliamRichardson. R. (Houghton-le-Spring)Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central)Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)Robertson, JohnTELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. T. Thomson and Mr. Foot.

Motion made, and Question proposed, ''That the Clause stand part of the Bill."


I oppose this on-the same lines as those on which I opposed Clause 1. The arguments that-were pertinent to the rejection of that Clause are equally pertinent in the present case. The main ground on which I move the rejection of the Clause—

Photo of Mr John Whitley Mr John Whitley , Halifax

The question is that the Clause as a whole stand part, and the hon. Member can vote against that.


I should have said that I am speaking against the acceptance of the Clause as a whole by the Committee. I merely remind the Committee of the objections which I brought forward in the case of Clause 1. They apply equally to this Clause. We want a free breakfast table, and I hope Mem-

bers of the Government will join with Members of the Opposition in giving the people a free breakfast table.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 180: Noes, 71.

Division No. 145.]AYES.[8.30 p.m.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James TynteGibbs, Colonel George AbrahamPearce, Sir William
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S.Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir JohnPease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike
Armitage, RobertGolf, Sir R. ParkPercy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W.Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.)Perring, William George
Atkey, A. R.Gregory, HolmanPinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles
Baird, Sir John LawrenceGreig, Colonel Sir James WilliamPollock, Rt. Hon. Sir Ernest Murray
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Gritten, W. G. HowardPoison, Sir Thomas A.
Banner, Sir John S. Harmood-Hacking, Captain Douglas H.Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton
Barnett, Major Richard W.Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)Pratt, John William
Barrand, A. R.Hamilton, Major Sir C. G. C.Preston, Sir W. R.
Bartley-Denniss, Sir Edmund RobertHannon, Patrick Joseph HenryPrescott, Major Sir W. H.
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes)Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)Rae, Sir Henry N.
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W.Haslam, LewisRawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.)Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston)Remer, J. R.
Bird, Sir William B. M. (Chichester)Hennessy, Major J. R. G.Richardson, Sir Alex. (Gravesend)
Blair, Sir ReginaldHerbert, Dennis (Hertford. Watford)Richardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey)
Blake, Sir Francis DouglasHilder, Lieut.-Colonel FrankRoberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Barwick, Major G. O.Hills, Major John WallerRobinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford)
Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith-Hinds, JohnRodger, A. K.
Bowyer, Captain G. W. E.Hood, Sir JosephRoundell, Colonel R. F.
Breese, Major Charles E.Hope, Sir H.(Stirling & C'ckm'nn,W.)Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill)
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William CliveHope, Lt.-Col. Sir J. A. (Midlothian)Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Briggs, HaroldHopkins, John W. W.Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Broad, Thomas TuckerHopkinson, A. (Lancaster. Mossley)Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert Arthur
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury)Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford)Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A.Horne, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead)Scott. Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange)
Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R.Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir AylmerSeddon, J. A.
Carr, W. TheodoreHurst, Lieut.-Colonel Gerald B.Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Carter, R. A. D. (Man., Withington)Inskip, Thomas Walker H.Shaw, William T. (Forfar)
Casey, T. W.Jephcott, A. R.Simm, M. T.
Chamberlain, Rt. H n. J. A. (Birm. W.)Jodrell, Neville PaulSmith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South)
Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood)Johnson, Sir StanleySmith, Sir Harold (Warrington)
Cheyne, Sir William WatsonJones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)Stanley, Major Hon. G. (Preston)
Churchman, Sir ArthurKellaway, Rt. Hon. Fredk. GeorgeSteel, Major S. Strang
Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. SpenderKelley, Major Fred (Rotherham)Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Clough, Sir RobertKidd, JamesSturrock, J. Leng
Cobb, Sir CyrilKing, Captain Henry DouglasSueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Cohen, Major J. BrunelLaw, Alfred J. (Rochdale)Sugden, W. H.
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard BealeLloyd, George ButlerSurtees, Brigadier-General H. C.
Davies, Sir William H. (Bristol, S.)Lorden, John WilliamSutherland, Sir William
Dewhurst, Lieut.-Commander HarryM'Donald, Dr. Bouverie F. P.Sykes, Sir Charles (Huddesfield)
Doyle, N. GrattanMcLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern)Taylor, J.
Du Pre, Colonel William BaringMagnus, Sir PhilipTerrell. George (Wilts, Chippenham)
Edgar, Clifford B.Mallalieu, Frederick WilliamThomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Edge, Captain Sir WilliamMalone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.)Thomson, Sir W. Mitchell- (Maryhill)
Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon)Manville, EdwardTryon, Major George Clement
Elliott, Lt.-Col. Sir G. (Islington, W.)Middlebrook, Sir WilliamTurton, Edmund Russborough
Erskine, James Malcolm MonteithMitchell, Sir William LaneWallace, J.
Evans, ErnestMoreing, Captain Algernon H.Walters, Fit. Hon. Sir John Tudor
Eyres-Monsell, Corn. Bolton M.Murchison, C. K.Ward, William Dudley (Southampton)
Fell, Sir ArthurMurray, C. D. (Edinburgh)Warren, Sir Alfred H.
Flannery, Sir James FortescueMurray, John (Leeds, West)Williams, C. (Tavistock)
Foreman, Sir HenryNeal, ArthurWilloughby, Lieut.-Col. Hon. Claud
Forestier-Walker, L.Newson, Sir Percy WilsonWise, Frederick
Forrest, WalterNewton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)Wolmer, Viscount
France, Gerald AshburnerNield, Sir HerbertWood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Fraser, Major Sir KeithNorris, Colonel Sir Henry G.Wood, Sir J. (Stalybridge & Hyde)
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Norton.-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir JohnWorsfold, T. Cato
Ganzoni, Sir JohnPain, Brig.-Gen. Sir W. Hacket
Gardner, ErnestParker, JamesTELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Gee, Captain RobertParry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas HenryColonel Leslie Wilson and Mr. McCurdy.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. WilliamBell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk)Cairns, John
Banton, GeorgeBramsdon, Sir ThomasCape, Thomas
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery)Briant, FrankCarter, W. (Nottingham, Mansfield)
Barnes. Major H. (Newcastle, E.)Bromfield, William.Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe)
Barton, Sir William (Oldham)Brown, James (Ayr and Bute)Davison, J. E. (Smethwick)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)Lawson, John JamesSwan, J. E.
Entwistle, Major C. F.Lunn, WilliamThomas, Rt. Hon. lames H. (Derby)
Foot, IsaacLyle-Samuel, AlexanderThomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West)
Galbraith, SamuelMaclean, Rt. Hn. Sir D. (Midlothian)Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Gillis, WilliamMills, John EdmundTillett, Benjamin
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central)Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross)Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)Newbould, Alfred ErnestWaterson, A. E.
Grundy, T. W.Raffan, Peter WilsonWatts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col. D.
Guest, J. (York, W.R., Hemsworth)Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Hall, F. (York, W.A., Normanton)Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich)White, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Heyday, ArthurRobertson, JohnWignall, James
Hayward, EvanRose, Frank H.Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes)Royce, William StapletonWilson, James (Dudley)
Hirst, G. H.Sexton, JamesWintringham, Margaret
Hodge, Rt. Hon. JohnShaw, Thomas (Preston)Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Hogge, James MylesSitch, Charles H.Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Holmes,.J. StanleySmith, W. R. (Wellingborough)
John, William (Rhondda, West)Spencer, George A.TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Spoor, B. G.Mr. Ammon and Mr. Neil Maclean.
Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M.Sutton, John Edward