Officers and Men.

Orders of the Day — Supply. – in the House of Commons on 18th April 1921.

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Motion made, and Question proposed, That an additional number of officers and men, not exceeding 26,000, be employed for the Sea and Coast Guard Services borne on the books of His Majesty's Ships and at the Royal Marine Divisions for the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1922.

Photo of Mr James Hogge Mr James Hogge , Edinburgh East

It was arranged with yourself, Mr. Deputy-Chairman, that we should take the whole discussion on the Army Vote, but will the Government reply to this question as to why the Government require 25,000 men for the Navy and 10,000 men for the Air Force?

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN:

The Government, having to call additional forces to their aid, naturally called first the Reserve Forces already in existence. The Naval Forces have been employed partly in carrying yeast to different parts of the country and partly in protecting communications.

Photo of Mr James Hogge Mr James Hogge , Edinburgh East

That is only telling us what their duties are. I want from the Government the reason why they extend this skeleton arrangement to follow so closely the existing arrangement of the Army in an industrial dispute for the first time?

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN:

That is what I have answered.

The SECRETARY of STATE for AIR (Captain Guest):

The services performed by the Air Force during these times would not be large, but would be technical and vitally important. Other portions of the Reserve called up under the same Proclamation would be for the assistance of the military and also for the protection of the material, which is extremely vulnerable and valuable.

Photo of Mr Charles White Mr Charles White , Derbyshire Western

Are the Reservists going to be demobilised at the same time as the National Defence Force is demobilised, or is there any danger of their being used for services other than those connected with the industrial dispute?

Photo of Mr James Hogge Mr James Hogge , Edinburgh East

We do not want to talk this out, but if we are not to have an answer—

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN rose in his place and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 194; Noes, 45.

Division No. 78.]AYES.[11.0 p.m.
Adair, Rear-Admiral Thomas B. S.Gibbs, Colonel George AbrahamMolson, Major John Elsdale
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. C.Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir JohnMond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M.
Agg-Gardner, Sir Janes TynteGlyn, Major RalphMorden, Lieut.-Col. W. Grant
Ainsworth, Captain CharlesGoff, Sir R. ParkMoreing, Captain Algernon H.
Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William JamesGould, James C.Morison, Rt. Hon. Thomas Brash
Amery, Lieut.-Col. Leopold C. M. S.Gray, Major Ernest (Accrington)Morris, Richard
Austin, Sir HerbertGreene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.)Morrison-Bell, Major A. C.
Baird, Sir John LawrenceGregory, HolmanMunro, Rt. Hon. Robert
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Gretton, Colonel JohnMurchison, C. K.
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G.Gritten, W. G. HowardMurray, John (Leeds, West)
Barlow, Sir MontagueGuest, Capt. Rt. Hon. Frederick E.Neal, Arthur
Barnett, Major R. W.Gwynne, Rupert S.Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes)Hacking, Captain Douglas H.Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster)
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W.Hamilton, Major C. G. C.Norris, Colonel Sir Henry G.
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake)Hannon, Patrick Joseph HenryOrmsby-Gore, Hon. W.
Benn, Capt. Sir I. H., Bart. (Gr'nw'h)Harmsworth, C. B. (Bedford, Luton)Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas Henry
Betterton, Henry B.Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike
Bigland, AlfredHenderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston)Peel, Col. Hn. S. (Uxbridge, Mddx.)
Berwick, Major G. O.Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.)Pennefather, De Fonblanque
Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith-Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)Philipps, Sir Owen C. (Chester, City)
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W.Hewart, Rt. Hon. Sir GordonPickering, Lieut.-Colonel Emil W.
Brassey, Major H. L. C.Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel FrankPinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William CliveHills, Major John WallerPollock, Sir Ernest M.
Brittain, Sir HarryHinds, JohnPownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton
Bruton, Sir JamesHoare, Lieut.-Colonel Sir S. J. G.Pratt, John William
Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A.Hood, JosephRae, H. Norman
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William JamesHopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley)Raeburn, Sir William H.
Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay)Home, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford)Raw, Lieutenant-Colonel N.
Carr, W. TheodoreHotchkin, Captain Stafford VereRees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East)
Casey, T. W.Hurd, Percy A.Reid, D. D.
Cayzer, Major Herbert RobinInskip, Thomas Walker H.Richardson, Alexander (Gravesend)
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Evelyn (Birm., Aston)James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. CuthbertRoberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J.A. (Birm., W.)Jameson, J. GordonRoberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood)Jodrell, Neville PaulRoberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Chilcot, Lieut.-Com. Harry W.Johnson, Sir StanleyRobinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor)
Child, Brigadier-General Sir HillJohnstone, JosephRoundell, Colonel R. F.
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard BealeJones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington)Royds, Lieut.-Colonel Edmund
Coote, Colin Reith (Isle of Ely)Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Lianelly)Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill)
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities)Kidd, JamesSamuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Davidson, J. C. C. (Kemel Hempstead)King, Captain Henry DouglasSamuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H.Lane-Fox, G. R.Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A.
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S)Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales)Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Dean, Lieut.-Commander P. T.Lindsay, William ArthurScott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Elveden, ViscountLloyd, George ButlerSeddon, J. A.
Evans, ErnestLloyd-Greame, Sir P.Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Falcon, Captain MichaelLocker- Lampson, Com. O. (H'tingd'n)Shaw, William T. (Forfar)
Falle, Major Sir Bertram G.Lorden, John WilliamShortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.)
Fell, Sir ArthurLowther, Major C. (Cumberland, N.)Smith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South)
Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L.Lynn, R. J.Smith, Sir Harold (Warrington)
Flannery, Sir James FortescueMackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachie)Stanier, Captain Sir Beville
Ford, Patrick JohnstonMcLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern)Steel, Major S. Strang
Forrest, WalterM'Lean, Lieut.-Col. Charles W. W.Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Foxcroft, Captain Charles TalbotMcMicking, Major GilbertStewart, Gershom
Fraser, Major Sir KeithMacpherson, Rt. Hon. James I.Strauss, Edward Anthony
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Maddocks, HenrySturrock, J. Leng
Gange, E. StanleyMallalieu, F. W.Sugden, W. H.
Ganzoni, Captain Sir F. J. C.Manville, EdwardSutherland, Sir William
Thomas-Stanford, CharlesWatson, Captain John BertrandWorsfold, Dr. T. Cato
Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)White, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport)Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Thorpe, Captain John HenryWhitla, Sir WilliamYate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward
Townley, Maximilian G.Wild, Sir Ernest EdwardYoung, Lieut.-Com. E. H. (Norwich)
Tryon, Major George ClementWilliams, Col. Sir R. (Dorset, W.)Younger, Sir George
Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull)Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert
Ward, William Dudley (Southampton)Wise, FrederickTELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Waring, Major WalterWood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)Colonel Leslie Wilson and Mr.
Warner, Sir T. Courtenay T.Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West)McCurdy.
NOES.
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery)Hayward, Major EvanRichardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.)Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes)Royce, William Stapleton
Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk)Hirst, G. H.Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Hodge, Rt. Hon. JohnSwan, J. E.
Cairns, JohnIrving, DanThomas, Brig.-Gen. Sir O. (Anglesey)
Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe)Kennedy, ThomasThomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West)
Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale)Kenyon, BarnetWalsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick)Lawson, John J.Waterson, A. E.
Edwards, G. (Norfolk, South)Lunn, WilliamWignall, James
Galbraith, SamuelMaclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)Wilson, W. Tyson (Westhoughton)
Graham, R. (Nelson and Colne)Mills, John EdmundWintringham, T.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)Morgan, Major D. WattsWood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Grundy, T. W.Myers, ThomasYoung, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth)O'Grady, Captain James
Hall, F. (York. W.R., Normanton)Parkinson, John Allen (wigan)TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hartshorn, VernonRaffan, Peter WilsonMr. Hogge and Mr. C. White.

Question put accordingly.

The Committee divided: Ayes, 194; Noes, 45.

Division No. 79.]AYES.[11. 10 p.m.
Adair, Rear-Admiral Thomas B. S.Ford, Patrick JohnstonLane-Fox, G. R.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. C.Forrest, WalterLewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales)
Agg-Gardner, Sir James TynteFoxcroft, Captain Charles TalbotLindsay, William Arthur
Ainsworth, Captain CharlesFrance, Gerald AshburnerLloyd, George Butler
Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William JamesFraser, Major Sir KeithLloyd-Greame, Sir P.
Amery, Lieut.-Col. Leopold C. M. S.Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'tingd'n)
Austin, Sir HerbertGange, E. StanleyLorden, John William
Baird, Sir John LawrenceGanzoni, Captain Sir F. J. C.Lowther, Major C. (Cumberland, N.)
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Gibbs, Colonel George AbrahamLynn, R. J.
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G.Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir JohnMackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachie)
Barlow, Sir MontagueGlyn, Major RalphMcLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern)
Barnett, Major R. W.Goff, Sir R. ParkM'Lean, Lieut.-Col. Charles W. W.
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes)Gould, James C.McMicking, Major Gilbert
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W.Gray, Major Ernest (Accrington)Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I.
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake)Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.)Maddocks, Henry
Benn, Capt. Sir I. H., Bart. (Gr'nw'h)Gregory, HolmanMallalieu, F. W.
Betterton, Henry B.Gretton, Colonel JohnManville, Edward
Bigland, AlfredGritten, W. G. HowardMolson, Major John Elsdale
Borwick, Major G. O.Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. Frederick E.Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M.
Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith-Gwynne, Rupert S.Morden, Lieut.-Col. W. Grant
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W.Hacking, Captain Douglas H.Moreing, Captain Algernon H.
Brassey, Major H. L. C.Hamilton, Major C. G. C.Morison, Rt. Hon. Thomas Brash
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William CliveHannon, Patrick Joseph HenryMorris, Richard
Brittain, Sir HarryHarmsworth, C. B. (Bedford, Luton)Morrison-Bell, Major A. C.
Bruton, Sir JamesHarmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)Munro, Rt. Hon. Robert
Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A.Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston)Murchison, C. K.
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William JamesHenry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.)Murray, John (Leeds, West)
Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay)Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford)Neal, Arthur
Carr, W. TheodoreHewart, Rt. Hon. Sir GordonNewman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Catty, T. W.Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel FrankNicholson, Reginald (Doncaster)
Cayzer, Major Herbert RobinHills, Major John WallerNorris, Colonel Sir Henry G.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Evelyn (Birm., Aston)Hinds, JohnOrmsby-Gore, Hon. W.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm., W.)Hoare, Lieut.-Colonel Sir S. J. G.Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike
Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood)Hood, JosephPeel, Col. Hn. S. (Uxbridge, Mddx.)
Chilcot, Lieut.-Com. Harry W.Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley)Pennefather, De Fonblanque
Child, Brigadier-General Sir HillHome, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford)Philipps, Sir Owen C. (Chester, City)
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard BealeHorne, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead)Pickering, Lieut.-Colonel Emil W.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities)Hotchkin, Captain Stafford VerePinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles
Davidson, J. C. C. (Kernel Hempstead)Hurd, Percy A.Pollock, Sir Ernest M.
Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H.Inskip, Thomas Walker H.Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. CuthbertPratt, John William
Dean, Lieut.-Commander P. T.Jameson, J. GordonRae, H. Norman
Elveden, viscountJodrell, Neville PaulRaeburn, Sir William H.
Evans, ErnestJohnson, Sir StanleyRaw, Lieutenant-Colonel N.
Falcon, Captain MichaelJohnstone, JosephRees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East)
Falle, Major Sir Bertram G.Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington)Reid, D. D.
Fell, Sir ArthurJones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Lianelly)Richardson, Alexander (Gravesend)
Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L.Kidd, JamesRoberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Flannery, Sir James FortescueKing, Captain Henry DouglasRoberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Roberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)Steel, Major S. StrangWhite, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport)
Robinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor)Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.Whitla, Sir William
Roundell, Colonel R. F.Stewart, GershomWild, Sir Ernest Edward
Royds, Lieut.-Colonel EdmundStrauss, Edward AnthonyWilliams, Col. Sir R. (Dorset, W.)
Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill)Sturrock, J. LengWills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert
Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)Sugden, W. H.Wise, Frederick
Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)Sutherland, Sir WilliamWood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A.Thomas-Stanford, CharlesWood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West)
Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)Worsfold, Dr. T. Cato
Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)Thorpe, Captain John HenryWorthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Seddon, J. A.Townley, Maximilian G.Yate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward
Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)Tryon, Major George ClementYoung, Lieut.-Com. E. H. (Norwich)
Shaw, William T. (Forfar)Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull)Younger, Sir George
Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.)Ward, William Dudley (Southampton)
Smith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South)Waring, Major WalterTELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Smith, Sir Harold (Warrington)Warner, Sir T. Courtenay T.Colonel Leslie Wilson and Mr.
Stanier, Captain Sir BevilleWatson, Captain John BertrandMcCurdy.
NOES.
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery)Hayward, Major EvanRichardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.)Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes)Royce, William Stapleton
Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk)Hirst, G. H.Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Hodge, Rt. Hon. JohnSwan, J. E.
Cairns, JohnIrving, DanThomas, Brig.-Gen. Sir O. (Anglesey)
Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe)Kennedy, ThomasWalsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale)Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M.Waterson, A. E.
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick)Kenyon, BarnetWhite, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Edwards, G. (Norfolk, South)Lawson, John J.Wignall, James
Galbraith, SamuelLunn, WilliamWilson, W. Tyson (Westhoughton)
Graham, R. (Nelson and Colne)Mills, John EdmundWintringham, T.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)Morgan, Major D. WattsWood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Grundy, T. W.Myers, ThomasYoung, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth)O'Grady, Captain James
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton)Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hartshorn, VernonRaffan, Peter WilsonMr. Hogge and Mr. Neil Maclean.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.

Committee to sit again To-morrow.