Statement by MR. Bonar Law.

Business of the House. – in the House of Commons at on 9 December 1920.

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Photo of Mr Donald Maclean Mr Donald Maclean , Peebles and Southern

May I ask the Leader of the House if he will state what will be the business for next week; and may I also ask him whether the notice of Motion standing in his name to-day, that the proceedings of the Committee be exempted from the eleven o'clock rule, means the proceedings of the Committee on the Finance Resolution relating to the Defence of the Realm (Acquisition of Land) Act? Does not my right hon. Friend agree that it is very undesirable that these Financial Resolutions should be taken after eleven o'clock at night, and, especially in view of the fact that two or three Financial Resolutions were taken at about a quarter to seven this morning, will he give an assurance to the House that there will be no more legislation proposed this Session which involves any further charge upon the subject?

Photo of Lord Hugh Cecil Lord Hugh Cecil , Oxford University

May I ask whether, either on the Report stage of the Food Ministry Resolution, if that has not been taken-I think it has not-or on the Second Reading on the Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill, the Government will state, rather more explicitly than they have up to the present, what course they propose to take with regard to food control, and by what date we may hope that it will be abolished?

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

With regard to the question of the Noble Lord, my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the exchequer will state as clearly as he can to-day what we propose to do with regard to that and other matters.

As regards the business for next week, assuming that the Roads Bill, the Gold and Silver (Export Control, etc.) Bill, and the Government of India Act Draft Rules go through to-morrow,

On Monday we shall take the Housing (Scotland) Bill, the Registrar-General (Scotland) Bill, the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill, the Police Pensions Bill, and, if time permits, further progress with Estimates.

On Tuesday, the Dyestuffs (Import Regulation) Bill, if through Committee, Air and Navy and other Estimates, and the British Empire Exhibition Bill.

On Wednesday, Army Supplementary Estimates, and the Dyestuffs (Import Regulation) Bill, if not already taken.

On Thursday, the Defence of the Realm (Acquisition of Land) Bill, the Official Secrets Bill, the Air Navigation Bill, and the Juvenile Courts (Metropolis) Bill.

On Friday it may be possible to take the Second Reading of the Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill.

This sounds a very alarming programme, and it is very large, but it is right that the House should realise that there is no possibility of our ending the Session at Christmas unless with the co-operation of the House of Commons. If that is given, I think it is possible that we may end the Session before Christmas Day, but even that must depend to some extent on the action in Another place. That is the explanation of the necessity for taking this Financial Resolution to-night. I quite admit that it is undesirable, and we are doing it as seldom as we can.

Photo of Mr Donald Maclean Mr Donald Maclean , Peebles and Southern

Does not my right hon. Friend see that, if the House gives anything like adequate attention to a long list of Supplementary Estimates, and takes the Report stages of the other Bills to which he has referred, it is impossible, consistently without public duty, to rise before Christmas, and that it would be very much better to announce as speedily as possible what the real situation in practice must be?

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

I have announced what the real situation is. We have often found that at the end of a Session business can be got through, with adequate discussion, in a shorter time than at other periods of the Session. It is not a question of the convenience of the Government. It does not matter nearly so much to us as to other Members whether the Session is prolonged. It is for the House to decide.

Photo of Sir Francis Acland Sir Francis Acland , Camborne

May I ask a question with regard to an opportunity for discussion of the Report of the Public Accounts Committee? The Chairman has a customary right to ask for such an opportunity, and I wish to make a suggestion about it for my right hon. Friend's consideration. I think that probably the House will not wish to deal this Session, if we can help it, with anything, apart from Supplementary Estimates, except legislation. Even if we come back after Christmas, we shall want to finish up, and not to have a new topic introduced, such as the Report of the Public Accounts Committee or the equally important Report of the Select Committee on National Expenditure, of which the right hon. Baronet (Sir. F. Banbury) is Chairman. If I, so to speak, withdraw the right of asking for an opportunity this Session, would the Leader of the House see that we get an early day for the discussion of, perhaps, both these Reports at the beginning of next Session?

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

That is a perfectly reasonable request, and one which I shall certainly grant if it is possible; but my right hon. Friend knows that at the beginning of the Session we are very much hampered by the necessity of getting through financial business, and it must to some extent depend upon that.

Photo of Sir Francis Acland Sir Francis Acland , Camborne

Perhaps my right hon. Friend will consider it?

Photo of Mr Frederick Banbury Mr Frederick Banbury , City of London

May I ask when the remaining stages of the Civil Service Supplementary Votes are going to be taken? I do not think they were taken last night, or, at any rate, I am not aware of it.

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

My right hon. Friend is correct; they were not taken last night. They will be taken as soon as we can get time to deal with them. I cannot name any particular date; it will depend on the progress of other business.

Lieut.-Colonel GUINNESS:

May I ask if the Air Estimates will have precedence over the Civil Service Estimates which are now partly discussed?

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

We do propose to take them in the order I have mentioned.

Lieut.-Colonel GUINNESS:

The right hon. Gentleman said that on Monday he was going to take the Supplementary Estimates, and after that these others. Do we understand that, if the Supplementary Estimates are not finished on Monday, he will go on with them before taking these further Estimates which have now been laid?

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

That is right, and if we have time on Monday we shall proceed with the Civil Service Estimates.

Photo of Mr Donald Maclean Mr Donald Maclean , Peebles and Southern

Will my right hon. Friend give an undertaking that the Committee stage of the Supplementary Estimates, at any rate, shall not be taken after 11 o'clock at night?

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

Obviously I can give no such undertaking, because it would mean that we should have to abandon the hope of ending the Session before Christmas. I am rather surprised at the idea which is now so prevalent that it is impossible for Members of the House to give due attention to their work after 11 o'clock at night. I have had a great deal of experience in other days when that was normal.

Photo of Lord Hugh Cecil Lord Hugh Cecil , Oxford University

Would it not be wiser to drop a good many of these Bills, and so save the time spent in passing all these foolish little Bills?

Photo of Mr Bonar Law Mr Bonar Law , Glasgow Central

The answer to that is that we do not think that they are foolish little Bills, or we should not have introduced them.

Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT:

Is it proposed to drop the Teinds Bill this Session?

Photo of Mr Noel Billing Mr Noel Billing , Hertford

If the Government succeed in getting their vote of confidence to-day, having regard to the fact that there is no serious Opposition, could not they pass all these Bills en bloc?

4.0 P.M.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings in Committee on Defence of the Realm (Acquisition of Land) [Compensation] be exempted at this day's Sitting from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. Honor Law.]

The House divided: Ayes, 221; Noes, 49.

Division No. 397.]AYES.[4.0 p.m.
Adair, Rear-Admiral Thomas B. S.Cohen, Major J. BruneiHacking, Captain Douglas H.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. C.Colfox, Major Wm. PhillipsHailwood, Augustine
Adkins, Sir William Ryland DentCollins, Sir G. P. (Greenock)Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)
Allen, Lieut.-Colonel William JamesColvin, Brig-General Richard BealeHall, Rr-Adml Sir W (Liv'p'I.W.D'by)
Amery, Lieut.-Col. Leopold C. M. S.Coote, William (Tyrone, South)Hambro, Captain Angus Valdemar
Archer-Shee, Lieut.-Colonel MartinCope, Major Wm.Hamilton, Major C. G. C.
Ashley, Colonel Wilfrid W.Cory, Sir J. H. (Cardiff, South)Harmsworth, C. B. (Bedford, Luton)
Atkey, A. R.Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities)Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)
Bagley, Captain E. AshtonCraig, Colonel Sir J. (Down, Mid)Hennessy, Major J. R. G.
Baird, Sir John LawrenceCurzon, Commander ViscountHenry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. StanleyDavidson, J. C. C. (Hemel Hempstead)Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, Yeovil)
Balfour, George (Hampstead)Davies, Sir David Sanders (Denbigh)Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank
Banner, Sir John S. HarmoodDavies, Thomas (Cirencester)Hoare, Lieut-Colonel Sir S. J. G.
Barlow, Sir MontagueDavies, Sir William H. (Bristol, S.)Hohier, Gerald Fitzroy
Barnston, Major HarryDavison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard
Barrand, A. R.Dewhurst, Lieut.-Commander HarryHope, James F. (Sheffield, Central)
Barton, Sir William (Oldham)Donald, ThompsonHurd, Percy A.
Beauchamp, Sir EdwardDoyle, N. GrattanHlingworth, Rt. Hon. A. H.
Beckett, Hon. GervaseEdge, Captain WilliamInskip, Thomas Walker H.
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W.Edwards, Hugh (Glam., Neath)James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake)Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark)Johnstone, Joseph
Bennett, Thomas JewellEyres-Monsell, Commander B. M.Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Lianelly)
Birchall, Major J. DearmanFalle, Major Sir Bertram G.Joynson-Hicks, Sir William
Bird, Sir A. (Wolverhampton, West)Flldes, HenryKellaway, Rt. Hon. Fredk. George
Blake, Sir Francis DouglasFlannery, Sir James FortescueKidd. James
Berwick, Major G. O.Foreman, HenryKing, Captain Henry Douglas
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W.France, Gerald AshburnerKinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A.Fremantle Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Knight, Major E. A. (Kidderminster)
Brittain, Sir HarryGange, E. StanleyLane-Fox, G. R.
Britton, G. B.Ganzoni, Captain Francis John C.Law, Rt. Hon. A. B. (Glasgow, C.)
Broad, Thomas TuckerGardiner, JamesLewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales)
Bruton, Sir JamesGibbs, Colonel George AbrahamLindsay, William Arthur
Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A.Gilbert, James DanielLloyd, George Butler
Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay)Goff, Sir R. ParkLocker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'tingd'n)
Burn, T. H. (Belfast, St. Anne's)Gould, James C.Lorden, John William
Butcher, Sir John GeorgeGrant, James A.Loseby, Captain C. E.
Carew, Charles Robert S.Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.)Lowther, Lt.-Col. Claude (Lancaster)
Carr, W. TheodoreGreene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.)Lyle-Samuel, Alexander
Casey, T. W.Greenwood, Colonel Sir HamarLynn, R. J.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm., W.)Greig, Colonel James WilliamM'Curdy, Rt. Hon. C. A.
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S.Gritten, W. G. HowardMcLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern)
Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. SpenderGuinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E.Macmaster, Donald
Coates, Major Sir Edward F.Gwynne, Rupert S.McMicking, Major Gilbert
McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury)Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel AsshetonSutherland, Sir William
Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I.Pratt, John WilliamTaylor, J.
Magnus, Sir PhilipPurchase, H. G.Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Marriott, John Arthur RansomeRaeburn, Sir William H.Townley, Maximilian G.
Mitchell, William LaneRandies, Sir John S.Townshend, Sir Charles Vere Ferrers
Moles, ThomasRees, Capt. J. Tudor- (Barnstaple)Ward, Col. J. (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Molson, Major John ElsdaleRemer, J. R.Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull)
Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred M.Remnant, Sir JamesWarren, Lieut-Col. Sir Alfred H.
Montagu, Rt. Hon. E. S.Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)Wason, John Cathcart
Morris, RichardRoberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)Weston, Colonel John W.
Morrison, HughRobinson, Sir T. (Lanes, Stretford)White, Lieut.-Col. G. D. (Southport)
Morrison-Bell, Major A. C.Rodger, A. K.Wigan, Brig.-General John Tyson
Mosley, OswaldRogers, Sir HallewellWild, Sir Ernest Edward
Murray, C. D. (Edinburgh)Roundell, Colonel R. F.Willey, Lieut.-Colonel F. V.
Murray, John (Leeds, West)Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)Williams, Lt.-Col. Sir R. (Banbury)
Nail, Major JosephSanders, Colonel Sir Robert A.Williamson, Rt. Hon. Sir Archibald
Neal, ArthurSassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert
Newman, Colonel J. R. P. (Finchley)Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)Wilson, Capt. A. S. (Holderness)
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)Seager, Sir WilliamWilson, Daniel M. (Down, West)
Nicholl, Commander Sir EdwardSeddon, J. A.Wilson, Colonel Leslie O. (Reading)
Nicholson, Reginald (Doncaster)Shaw, William T. (Forfar)Winterton, Major Earl
Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield)Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T.)Wise, Frederick
Nield, Sir HerbertSimm, M. T.Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Norman, Major Rt. Hon. Sir HenrySprot, Colonel Sir AlexanderWood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West)
O'Neill, Major Hon. Robert W. H.Stanley, Major Hon. G. (Preston)Wood, Major S. Hill- (High Peak)
Palmer, Major Godfrey MarkStanton, Charles B.Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Palmer, Brigadier-General G. L.Starkey, Captain John R.Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Parker, JamesSteel, Major S. StrangYoung, Lieut.-Com. E. H (Norwich)
Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas HenryStephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert PikeStevens, MarshallTELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Pennefather, De FonblanqueStewart, GershomLord E. Talbot and Mr. Dudley
Pilditch, Sir PhilipSugden, W. H.Ward.
NOES.
Acland, Rt. Hon. F. D.Hartshorn, VernonShaw, Thomas (Preston)
Adamson, Rt. Hon. WilliamHayday, ArthurShort, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G.Holmes, J. StanleySmith, W. R. (Wellingborough)
Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk)Irving. DanSpencer, George A.
Bentinck, Lord Henry CavendishKenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M.Swan, J. E.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Kenyon, BarnetThomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West)
Bromfield, WilliamMaclean, Rt. Hn. Sir D. (Midlothian)Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute)MacVeagh, JeremiahTillett, Benjamin
Cairns, JohnMurray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross)Waterson, A. E.
Carter, W. (Nottingham, Mansfield)Myers, ThomasWhite, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. J. R.Newbould, Alfred ErnestWilliams, Aneurin (Durham, Consett)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Edwards, G. (Norfolk, South)Rendall, AthelstanWilson, W. Tyson (Westhoughton)
Glanville, Harold JamesRichardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)Wintringham, T.
Graham, R. (Nelson and Colne)Rose, Frank H.Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Grundy, T. W.Royce, William Stapleton
Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth)Sexton, JamesTELLERS FOR THE NOES
Mr. Hogge and Mr. Alfred Davies.

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