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Section 65 — Charity trustees: general duties
Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
4:30 pm

Trish Godman (Labour)
Group 13 is on the duties of charity trustees. Amendment 57, in the name of Donald Gorrie, is in a group on its own.

Donald Gorrie (Liberal Democrat)
The purpose of the amendment is to make clear that when, as quite often happens, a person is put on to a charity as a charity trustee from another body—which might be the local council, a chamber of commerce, a church, a school or whatever—their first duty is to be a charity trustee rather than to look after the interests of the other body. The amendment is supposed to cover the issue of the independence of arm's-length companies and other charities of that sort. The issue is quite clear and the wording of the amendment has had the acceptance of those up aloft. I therefore hope that members will vote for it.
I move amendment 57.

Johann Lamont (Labour)
As I mentioned in an earlier discussion, Donald Gorrie's amendment is helpful. It clarifies in the bill how conflicts between the interests of the charity and that of any person responsible for appointing a trustee should be dealt with. We believe that the amendment reflects current good practice relating to how such conflicts are dealt with by charities. Putting the text of the amendment in the bill will help to reassure the public of the practical independence of trustees in whose appointment an outside body or person has had a role. We therefore encourage Parliament to agree to it.
Amendment 57 agreed to.
Amendment 58 not moved.
Amendment 33 moved—[Malcolm Chisholm].
Division number 8
For: Aitken, Bill, Arbuckle, Mr Andrew, Baillie, Jackie, Baker, Richard, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brocklebank, Mr Ted, Butler, Bill, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Patricia, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Glen, Marlyn, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Johnstone, Alex, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lyon, George, Macdonald, Lewis, Maclean, Kate, Martin, Paul, May, Christine, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McLetchie, David, McMahon, Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNulty, Des, Milne, Mrs Nanette, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Pringle, Mike, Purvis, Jeremy, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Scott, Tavish, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Swinburne, John, Tosh, Murray, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan
Against: Adam, Brian, Ballard, Mark, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Grahame, Christine, Harper, Robin, Harvie, Patrick, Hyslop, Fiona, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Marwick, Tricia, Mather, Jim, Matheson, Michael, Maxwell, Mr Stewart, McFee, Mr Bruce, Morgan, Alasdair, Neil, Alex, Ruskell, Mr Mark, Scott, Eleanor, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra
Abstentions: Brown, Robert, Byrne, Ms Rosemary, Fox, Colin, Gorrie, Donald, Leckie, Carolyn, Turner, Dr Jean

Trish Godman (Labour)
The result of the division is: For 74, Against 26, Abstentions 6.
Amendment 33 agreed to.
Amendment 59 not moved.
Amendment 64 moved—[Donald Gorrie]—and agreed to.
