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Orders of the Day — Identity Cards Bill: Clause 5 — Applications relating to entries in Register (13 Feb 2006)

Tobias Ellwood: The Government's figures show that while £1.3 billion is lost due to fraud each year, identity-related fraud accounts for between £20 million and £50 million a year. That amount is considerably less than the £85 million cost of implementing the ID card system, as we established in Committee. The scheme will be an expensive, intrusive and unproven way of tackling ID fraud.

Orders of the Day — Identity Cards Bill: Clause 6 — Power of the Secretary of State to require registration (13 Feb 2006)

Tobias Ellwood: The Orwellian scenario to which my hon. Friend referred is not that far away. We established in Committee that not only an ID card reader but a biometric reader will be needed at every airport terminal and in every police car, so the requirement to hold an ID card is not really necessary. Once the information is on a database, we will have to enter our details at a given terminal every time...

Orders of the Day — Identity Cards Bill: Clause 8 — Issue etc. of ID Cards (18 Oct 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: This debate is not simply about ID cards: it is about the relationship between the citizen and the state and the borderline between what civil liberties we are willing to concede in order to live in a fairer, safe and secure world. The Bill's aims are commendable—they include tackling ID fraud, benefit fraud, illegal immigration and terrorism—but as we learn more about the detail...

Orders of the Day — Identity Cards Bill: Clause 5 — Applications Relating to Entries in the Register (18 Oct 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, to ensure that a terrorist did not get on to an aeroplane, if everyone were compelled to be on a register, their ID card would somehow have to be verified, to prove that they were the person whose details were on it? That means that we should need some form of verification device at every airport. That would make the ID card redundant, because everyone...

Orders of the Day — Identity Cards Bill: Clause 1 — The National Identity Register (18 Oct 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: I shall try to be briefer than I was in my last intervention. I thank you for allowing me some latitude, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The register will only work if there is a way to check that an individual belongs to the ID, so verification systems—perhaps using some form of scanner—will be needed. Does the Minister agree that, every time we embark on a plane flight, we will have to...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 25 - Reports by Commissioner (19 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: ...track of the progress of this legislation will be key to the reports that are made by the commissioner. As we have debated over the past few days, the entire project of a register and of producing ID cards is massive from a financial as well as a technical point of view. In many ways, the project is untested, so it is imperative that Members have an opportunity to monitor its progress and...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 19 - Use for purposes of public authorities etc. (19 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: ...service. Such bodies are not listed. There is huge concern among Opposition Members that many different questions and issues will be raised about the ways in which not only the register but the ID cards can be used, because of the general remit of clause 1(4)(e), which the Under-Secretary has just cited. Things can be justified by being said to come under the label of being for “the...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 15 - Power to make public services conditional on identity checks (14 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: The clause seems to be intended to allay fears about how the card is to be used immediately before it becomes compulsory as the Government wish. Clause 15(1)(c) questions the integrity of the card itself, because if it is robust enough to prove who a person is, why is there a requirement to produce other identification cards along with that card? In the case of stolen cards, if one card is...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 8 - Issue etc. of ID cards (12 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: I hope hon. Members will bear with me while I work through the documents. We did not get an opportunity to discuss clause 5(5)(d) because of the curtailment of the debate. It refers to other information that ''may be required'' by the Secretary of State that has to go on to the register. Bearing that in mind, let us examine paragraph 7(a) of schedule 1, which relates to ''the information...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 8 - Issue etc. of ID cards (12 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: This has been a helpful debate, as it addresses the core of the issue. The hon. Member for   Stroud put his finger on it when he talked about the public's change in attitude to ID cards. That only goes to prove that debates in this Committee and the main Chamber are in a good cause. The nation is becoming more educated on what ID cards are all about, and as that happens the public are...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 5 - Applications relating to entries in Register (12 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: ...impact of subsection (5)(b) will be huge. It is requesting a database of more than 60 million entries. That is large, and, at our previous sitting, I asked the Minister about the size of the individual file that would be held on it. I look forward to his providing that information. I hope that he will use the opportunity today to let us know exactly how much information will be placed on...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 2 - Individuals entered in Register (7 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: Will the Minister clarify whether there is any provision to prevent an employer who knows that a potential employee has an ID card from requesting a summary of what is on the register?

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 2 - Individuals entered in Register (7 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: I stand corrected. I am trying to say, however, that if this is enabling legislation that could lead to the introduction of compulsory ID cards, it would be wrong for us not to bring the matter up as we are discussing things. We are dealing with the Bill and the ability of the security forces and the police, and so on, to carry out many of their operations to make our world safer, and they...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 2 - Individuals entered in Register (7 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: I am grateful to my hon. and learned Friend for that vote of confidence. I appreciate what the Minister has said, and I understand all the aspects that he mentioned. I apologise if I did not make my case clear. I was trying to ask whether an employer, organisation or human resources department could demand a printout. Could they tell somebody asking for a job that they were not sure about...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 2 - Individuals entered in Register (7 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: The Minister talked about how there may be scope for the ID card to be used as a form of travel document in Europe. Leading on from that rationale, I suspect that some visitors who come from Europe to the UK with an EU-type ID card could enter the United Kingdom using that card rather than having to jump on to our ID card system. I accept that I am looking forward a little, but if that were...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 2 - Individuals entered in Register (7 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: I would like clarification from the Minister on how he decided on the age of 16. Recently, London Transport decided to allow schoolchildren to travel free on the buses. For some people it is as important to be able to prove that they are under 16 as it is for others to prove that they are over 16, so an ID card would be useful. From the point of view of administration, it also seems...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 1 - The National Identity Register (6 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: From the research undertaken in preparation for the drafting of the Bill, which has led us to debate how threats of terrorism can be thwarted by the introduction of an ID card, will the Minister cite examples either in this country, or abroad where there are voluntary and compulsory requirements to carry ID cards, of how carrying an ID card has helped to prevent terrorist threats? I...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 1 - The National Identity Register (5 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: An analogy can be drawn. The police are currently required to have a reason to stop and search someone—or, indeed, to question them. There are regulations that protect the individual from being stopped for no reason. We require a valid reason to take action. The same principle applies to the ID card register. There should be a valid reason for somebody wanting to look up somebody else...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill: Clause 1 - The National Identity Register (5 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: At present, there are many different forms of ID cards that we use voluntarily. Someone wanting to show such a card to prove their identity to someone else is a different matter from someone wanting to check the register itself. Are we going to open the door for anyone? The hon. Member for Colne Valley rightly referred to the integrity of the civil service. We are talking not so much about...

Public Bill Committee: Identity Cards Bill (5 Jul 2005)

Tobias Ellwood: I, too, am honoured to have been selected to serve on the Committee. The House had an interesting debate on ID cards on the same day as the Trafalgar anniversary celebrations. As those events took place on the same day, many Members were unable to participate in the debate. However, there were many contributions—   according to my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Harborough,...

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