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Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Vale of Clwyd (Chris Ruane) for the positive way in which he has ended this debate. He contributed to it by highlighting the need for young people to be educated about the process, and the need for us to engage with the activities of electoral registration officers, which were mentioned by my hon. Friends the Members for Brecon and Radnorshire (Roger...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I do not intend to be sour in any way, shape or form. I want to be positive, because the Bill will extend the powers of the Assembly and is welcomed by all parties. It is important that it is recognised in that way, rather than in the churlish way in which it has been welcomed in some quarters. I take the hon. Gentleman’s point positively, and the Cabinet Office will have heard his...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I pay tribute to the hon. Gentleman’s constituents and to the two constituents in my own constituency who have recently received medals from the Russian Government. None the less, he makes a point that goes well beyond the scope of the Bill, and that will be part of an important debate in the future. He will be able to make his point again when the time comes.

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I suggest that the age of majority is different for different processes across the United Kingdom. It is a major constitutional change to extend the franchise for all elections. The scope of this Bill is specific about extending powers to the Welsh Assembly, and it is for the Assembly to decide. Who knows, the Welsh Assembly may not decide to extend the franchise to younger voters. It is up...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I think the hon. Gentleman is underestimating the capacity of young people to grasp technicalities. I have far more confidence in younger people to be able to consider such matters. He makes an important point, but it could easily be made in another debate. This is about extending the power to the Assembly to decide, and not about extending the franchise to young people per se. We are simply...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 14.

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: These amendments provide that, when a resolution to hold a referendum on income tax powers is moved in the National Assembly for Wales, the Assembly must state as part of the resolution whether the voting age for that referendum is to be 16 or 18. During the Bill’s passage through the other place, a number of peers sought to extend the franchise in Wales to 16 and 17-year-olds. They...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. The Bill contains measures to encourage the Assembly to engage with younger people and encourage them to register, should it wish to extend the franchise in the referendum on income tax-varying powers.

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. I am not familiar with that organisation, so it would not be right for me to endorse its activities at this stage. Clearly, however, any activity that encourages people who are eligible to vote to do so is broadly positive, and I would encourage the Welsh Government, the Assembly and the UK Administration to engage with a range of organisations and...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: We spent the earlier part of this debate discussing Lords amendments relating to the referendum, and I believed that the hon. Gentleman, in his usual positive way, as well as Liberal Democrat and Conservative Members, thought that the referendum on income tax varying powers was definitive. It gives a great opportunity for political parties to sell the great prospect that lower taxes could...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I am not sure where this is going, but I accept that the engagement of young people is exceptionally important. The purpose of this Lords amendment is to devolve the power for the referendum to the Welsh Assembly, and it can therefore make judgments accordingly.

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that, and I pay tribute to him for his speech. The debate on devolution is moving quickly and the referendum in Scotland has changed the debate across the whole of the UK. It is up to each political party to make its judgment. It is almost certain that there will be a Wales Bill in the next Parliament, whoever is in government. There will be an opportunity...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention, but I do not agree with him on that specific point. The Wales Bill provides the opportunity for the Assembly to introduce a referendum on tax varying powers, to the degree that we have already considered. That will extend the franchise specifically in this area. It learns the lessons from Scotland and creates the opportunity for us to...

Wales Bill (Programme) (No.3): Clause 13 — Proposal for referendum by Assembly (10 Dec 2014)

Alun Cairns: The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point, but that is a major constitutional change covering lots of other political areas and it is well beyond the scope of this Bill. I am seeking to address amendments that will allow the Assembly to make progress in this area, should it wish to do so. It is up to the Assembly to make its own decisions. This provision devolves the power for it to...


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