Steve Webb: I think we may be talking at cross-purposes. In the previous evidence, we had a journalist here who was alleging that, because of these new freedoms, massive tax avoidance would be going on. I pointed out that in theory that would be true in 2014-15, but in reality it is not happening. I was not referring to the post-15 freedoms, I was referring to the fact that people were not...
Gregg McClymont: ...questions for the Minister, building on a previous question and thinking about his answer. He stated to the Committee that he understands that the Treasury has baked into its analysis potential tax avoidance from the changes. What does that baking-in involve? How much tax avoidance do the Government expect to take place?
Gregg McClymont: Are you able to confirm that the Treasury has examined this potential tax avoidance mechanism in what you call its global figure?