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Mr Alun Michael (Minister of State (Rural Affairs), Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs; Cardiff South and Penarth, Labour/Co-operative)

The hon. Gentleman should first acknowledge that I have been perfectly willing to listen to what he has said on various occasions. On amendment No. 50, he admits that he plucked the number 40 from the air but expects it to be taken seriously. He has not argued for a number other than two; three or five, for example He has simply plucked a number from the air and said that we should respond

to it more intelligently than the drafting of his amendment.

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