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Mr Norman Baker (Lewes, Liberal Democrat)

I assure the Minister that I shall not press amendments Nos. 24 and 26 to a Division. I was pleased to hear him refer on Tuesday afternoon to his idealism. He said that he genuinely wanted to make a step change. I believe that his motives are laudable. He wants to make a difference while he is in office. That has been the cry of Ministers down the years. Some succeed; others do not. I caution the hon. Gentleman, however, that in his desire to make a difference, he should not always to seek to write the judiciary out of the script. It is tempting to say, ``Here is an obstacle to my objective, and I shall just move it out of the way.'' That attitude lead to Lady Thatcher abolishing the GLC-[Interruption.] I believe that Conservative Members are agreeing with my analysis.

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