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Mr Stephen McCabe (Birmingham, Hall Green, Labour)

Clearly, it is true that no reasonable person would take the view of tracking the money that my right hon. Friend outlined. However, someone who is on tape at a closed Conservative party meeting, telling people that his strategy is to talk down and run down the NHS as a pretext for dismantling it would have to ridicule targets. He would need the ensuing chaos to achieve his ambitions.

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